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Aaron

01-08-2004 17:36:45

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I know this is not tractor related, but I thought some of you may have an opinion on these trucks. I'm looking at a 1999 F250 superduty with a V-10 motor. I'd like to pull a 30ft gooseneck to haul tractors and hay with. Any opinions good or bad are appreciated. Thanks in advance, Aaron
P.S. I've always been a Chevy man, but the ford dealer will give me $2,000 dollars more trade-in on my Chevy than the Chevy dealer will, and I like this Ford better than any of the Chevys on their lot anyway.

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Jim from Ill

01-10-2004 07:00:21

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

I have a V-10 in my Excursion, and it's a horse! Pulls my 32 foot Jayco travel trailer anywhere I want to go. Went to the Smokey Mountians and had no trouble pulling it anywhere. True, it no 30 MPG, but is has plenty of smooth power. When I get a new pick-up in a year or two-it's going to have a V-10, needed or not.

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Jeff IA

01-09-2004 17:42:48

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

I own a 2001 E350 van w/ V10. Use it to pull a 9000 lb travel trailer. Has lots of power. Very happy with the performance. Gets about 11 mpg pulling @ 70mph. About the same just plain city driving (go figure). Interstate driving get about 14 not pulling. Borrowed a 96 Dodge 3/4 ton w/ Cummins to pull it before I had the Ford. Not as much power and couldn't use the overdrive. Had a 1/2 ton Suburban w/ a 350 before that. Dont even think about that.

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42FarmallH

01-09-2004 06:47:24

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

With today's technology, the gas engine should last as long as a diesel with proper maintenance - so longevity is no longer that much of a benefit to me with diesel. Plus the fact that the diesel costs around $5000 more to purchase initially (let's see gas is $1.50 per gallon so 5000/1.5= 3333 gallons of gas you can buy!).

My repair bill on gas vehicles this year was around $1000, my brother's repair bill on his diesel came out to around $3500. I used to be sold on the diesel pickups, but not anymore. PS - he only has 125,000 on his 98 Cummins. And the neighbors Powerstroke is just plain loud and diesel fumes stink.

Of course this is just my $0.02 worth, buy whatever amount of gas or diesel you can with it...

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Ben in KY

01-09-2004 08:57:32

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Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to 42FarmallH, 01-09-2004 06:47:24

42FarmallH,
I like your thinking. Only thought I have is, for heavy towing diesel works best. Gas engines are best for everything but heavy towing,etc. It seems you just have to bite the bullet and shell out the extra costs and aggravation for a diesel sometimes. Gas also starts better in winter :)

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DENNIS in NC

01-09-2004 05:05:19

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

HAVENT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE CHEVY 7.4 I GOT A Z71 2500 THATS LOVES TO PULL INTO A GAS STATIONS BUT SEEMS TO RUN BETTER LOADED . MABY CAUSE IT JUST FEELS BETTER WITH GOOD LOOKING FARMALLS ON HER BACK P.S. I DID RUN OVER A DEERE ONCE WHILE LOADED WITH FARMALLS

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Aaron Again

01-09-2004 04:52:19

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

Thanks for all the opinions. It gives me a lot to think about. I have diesel tractors, skidsteer, dozer, etc., but I really wanted to stay away from diesel in my truck. MPG is not a huge issue, since I seldom pull my trailers more than 20 miles. It is something to consider though. Sounds like there are a wide variety of opinions on this truck, and that's fine!Thanks again.

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dhermesc

01-09-2004 06:14:22

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Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron Again, 01-09-2004 04:52:19

I'd go for the V10. My brothers have 4 of the Power Stroke 7.3s and 2 V10s. The V10s are in a F250 Superduty and a F350 Superduty. They both get BETTER MILEAGE then the 7.3s when empty (about 16) and a little less when loaded (varies). Considering that half the time diesel is higher then gas it hardly makes any sense unless you are going to be pulling with more then 50% of your miles. Of the Triton engines I think it is the only one better then the pushrod engine it replaced (460).

The main problem I have heard about the V10 is blowing spark plugs after they have been changed. The reason for this people changing them and not using a torque wrench to tighten them or not following factory specs with the torque amount. They strip the threads on the aluminum head and don't know it until it lets go while going down the road. Get something in writing from the dealer or have him change the plugs before buying. It can be a VERY expensive problem to find a year from now.

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John R

01-09-2004 04:39:02

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

Go for It. I own 3 v-10's and love them all. Pull like crazy. One is in a Dodge 1 ton dually with 150K and still gets 11.5-15 mpg. The other 2 are Fords one in an Excursion pulling a 30 ft. camper (10,000 lbs.) 11.5 mpg. 14 mpg emty. Daily driver for the wife. The other is in a ford 1 ton van that I use for business pulling skidsteers and mini-excavators. 11.5 pulling 14mpg empty. Don't get me wrong, I would like to have a diesel but can't justify the price, maintenance, noise, headaches, ect. All of my equipment is diesel, but for the road in small trucks give me a gas anytine. I also have Big trucks, and yes they are diesel 4-7 mpg.

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01-09-2004 04:28:33

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

if you go gas try to find a chevy with an 8.1 l (496 ci) gas with the Allison trany. you will not regret it. I have gotten up to 17 mpg with mine. you can also get a supercharger for it to give you 50% more hp, (507). you will be passing diesels on the hills and the flats.

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RusselAZ

01-08-2004 20:54:25

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

I don't know anything about the V-10 except what my customers tell me. It is a popular engine in class A RV's and those who have told me, like it. Does well on gas in the RV application (like around 12MPG+) which I suppose is pretty good considering the old 460 and 454's got a whole lot less. Had a guy in today with a 99 class C (econoline chassis) and he thought it was the hot shucks. And as pickie as he was it must be pretty good cause he bought it new. Personally I was surprised this past summer that there were no real problems with this engine in the RV's in our desert temps. This was the year they were coming of "age" and they held up for vacationers.

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Mark in AB

01-08-2004 20:20:24

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

Hi Aaron, I had the same misconceptions as the others about the ford v10. I have a 97 powerstroke and luv it, we started shopping for an excursion recently and i wanted a diesel. The truck we found was a great deal, all options we wanted except it had a v10. We bought it and are very happy with it. 2000 model, lots of power, dead smooth running and not nearly so bad on fuel as rumoured. We get about 14 miles per gallon empty and about 10 mpg pulling my 21 foot boat. This is not babying it either, 75 miles per hour plus.
I came to the conclusion that the $5 or $6 thous. diff. to buy the diesel will buy one heck of alot of gas. In benefit you get faster warmup, less smell, and more user friendliness for the wife. Don't be scared of the v10 if it is the truck you want, it is a much better engine than the triton 5.4 and better than the dodge v10. 460 better? ya right, I bet you think your old farmall is better than a new maxxum. Stop living in the past.

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lost me at the end

01-09-2004 06:13:55

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Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Mark in AB, 01-08-2004 20:20:24

You were doing so well until you turned into a jerk at the end. Ease up, and you will do better.

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Mark in AB

01-09-2004 08:40:19

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Re: Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to lost me at the end, 01-09-2004 06:13:55

Ya I got a little carried away.

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Keith ( OR )

01-08-2004 20:17:12

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

I don't know anything about the V-10, but do know about the 460. I have a 1995 F350 4X4 crewcab passes everything on the road BUT a gas station. I only get 10 mile to the gal. running empty or loaded.Only have 76000 mi. on it, so tells you one thing don't drive it too much with the current gas prices. Wish now I had bought a diesel. Next thing on my list , trade it off for a diesel.

Good luck in your hunt for a TRUCK
Keith

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Brutus

01-08-2004 20:06:04

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

don't know what these boys been smokin,but i actually have a 2000 F-350 4WD with a V-10 and a 5 speed manual. i get 15 empty and 13 with a loaded 14K gooseneck. it's extremely smooth and quiet and enough low end torque to excelerate from 35 mph when empty. saved 4000$ over the diesel. of course, if you need a smoky,shakin,noisy pickup to feel manly, then go with the diesel. bet i made some friends with this post, huh.
-brutus-

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rustyfarmall

01-09-2004 04:40:56

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Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Brutus, 01-08-2004 20:06:04

I agree with you 100% Why would anybody pay an extra $4,000 for the diesel, pay the same if not higher prices for the diesel fuel, and not get any better fuel mileage? It does not compute.

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Shane

01-09-2004 10:49:03

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Re: Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to rustyfarmall, 01-09-2004 04:40:56

Depends on where you get your fuel, if you get it at the station then it is gonna cost just as much as gas. But if you buy in bulk then you can get it cheaper. Only costs a bit over a $1 for us, and that is the green stuff! Although it would only cost 95 cents for the red stuff if you felt lucky enough to run it.

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tinman

01-08-2004 20:05:00

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

Go diesel.The only people that like the v-10 is OPEC

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Shane

01-08-2004 20:00:27

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

That V-10 is one thirsty gutless engine, I'd go diesel but if you get a Ford stay away from the new 6.0L Powerstroke!!!

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Mark in AB

01-08-2004 22:00:38

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Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Shane, 01-08-2004 20:00:27

310hp and 425 ft/lbs torque? ya pretty gutless...

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Shane

01-10-2004 06:24:16

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Re: Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Mark in AB, 01-08-2004 22:00:38

Chevy's 6.0L V8 is 300 horse and has 360 lbs of torque, not far from that V10. Or you can opt for the big V8 and get 340 horse and 450 lbs of twist. So for it being a V10 it is gutless compared to the available V8's from all makes. The problem is it doens't have the cubic inches needed to make real world power. I beleive it is around 6.8L? Dodge's V10 was 8.0L and Chevy's big block V8 is 8.1L, those cubes make all the difference. The Dodge and Chevy have torque all over the rpm range.

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Shane

01-09-2004 10:45:06

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Re: Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Mark in AB, 01-08-2004 22:00:38

Those are only numbers, In the real world that V-10 is a dog on 3 legs.

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dhermesc

01-09-2004 11:32:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Shane, 01-09-2004 10:45:06

It amazes me how some people think a gas engine getting 15-16 MPG is a hog but a diesel getting 14-17 MPG is gold. Haven't seen to many dogs pull 24,000 pounds down the road at 75 mph with the cruise on.

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Bob

01-08-2004 20:00:02

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

Go for the dodge cummins. I have owned the ford and the dodge... there were a few kinks in the dodge duallys at first...(like the tracking bar) but these have been worked out and... the dodge can't be beat for value. The low end is great for pulling and the mileage you get from the dodge cummins is superior to ford or chevy. Also, dodge has a better warranty program if you buying new. The v-10 may give you a bit of a problem when it comes to trade in time later on. It not very popular because it guzzles the fuel so badly. The dodge diesel is not known for speed, but it is great at pulling. If you get a gasoline engine, there goes your mpg. Don't ask me about a chevy, I have nothing nice to say about them.. :)

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RYAN

01-08-2004 19:56:18

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

POWER STROKE !!!!!

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shoe

01-08-2004 19:35:14

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

The ford V10 would be a good choice if you just park it in your drive way and don't have to pull anything with it, gas hog and no power compared
to the old 460, just get a real motor.

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D.L.

01-09-2004 09:28:15

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Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to shoe, 01-08-2004 19:35:14

I would have to agree with you!!! I had a '92 F350 crew cab 4x4 w/460 CID v-8... towed WHATEVER and WHENEVER I wanted... tons of power (and of course, a bit hard on the fuel) Came time for a newer rig so I went to the dealerships & did some test driving. Drove an F350 supercab w v-10... I kept wondering where the engine was... just wasn't ANY power ...at least compared to the 460 iron! Since I couldn't get a newer rig with a REAL gas engine, ended up with an F550 w/ POWERSTROKE (7.3L) and LOVE it. We live in the land of hard winters & I've never had a problem with starting... the noise isn't excessive (besides, I can always turn up the CD player) & I happen to LIKE the smell of diesel fuel!!! We did look at Dodge & would have considered, but WANTED a crew cab & at that time, Dodge didn't offer one in a full size truck.

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Jonathan

01-09-2004 10:10:33

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Re: Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to D.L., 01-09-2004 09:28:15

yeah, but maybe you were used to the power your old well broken in 460 had, and that v-10 problably had it, but not until the engine gets broken in alittle. My boss bought a '02 Dodge 3/4 ton with the 360, and I got to drive that when it only had 200 miles on it, and I thought it was gutless, but now that the truck has about 3,000 miles on it, the engine is now waking up bigtime.

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henrich - Iowa

01-08-2004 19:34:55

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

I wouldn't purchase the V-10 unless gasoline goes back to 25 cents a gallon, otherwise you will never come out of the deal. It doesn't matter how much your going to get for your pickup, its how much you will need to put together with your trade to purchase something different. Go for a diesel for pulling, its logical, otherwise the over-the-road trucks would still be running gasoline.

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farmallgod

01-08-2004 19:13:28

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

Two words Dodge Cummins.

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Joel Harman

01-09-2004 06:54:07

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Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to farmallgod, 01-08-2004 19:13:28

But they still make you buy the dodge with the cummins.

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Shane

01-08-2004 19:56:52

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Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to farmallgod, 01-08-2004 19:13:28

A few more words:
Dodge tranny is junk, have heard they did finally fix the problem
Cummins are decent, Cats are better
Only my opinion here!

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DuaneWKKC

01-09-2004 15:54:47

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Re: Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Shane, 01-08-2004 19:56:52

The biggest problem with the autos was the ease of getting BIG hp & torque out of the motor. Transmisions where NOT desigened for the extra. I believe the new auto is a good one and the old ones can be made to hold lots of torque, one thing to do, add extra oil cap and cooling. (i know... more than one..LOL) heat is BAD on auto's.

DuaneW.

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Mark in AB

01-08-2004 22:04:11

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Re: Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Shane, 01-08-2004 19:56:52

Do you know Cat owns the patent on the HEUI injection system used on the powerstroke? Also small cats like the 3116 that could be used on pickups are throwaway engines. No liners, hardly any space for any boring.

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Shane

01-09-2004 10:42:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Mark in AB, 01-08-2004 22:04:11

Just goes to show who is king in the Diesel engine world, Navistar had to use a Cat injection system on their engine! And the 3116's are heavily used in the medium duty trucks and haven't heard of any major problems with them. As a matter of fact we have an old MF tractor with one in it and it has over 5000 hrs without an overhaul. The problem with the 6.0L powerstroke has to do with a lot of things starting with the factory procedures and specs, in fact Navistar (from what I have read) will no longer build the diesel's for Ford. Ford has been looking at putting a Cummings into their trucks now.

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BigART

01-08-2004 18:48:04

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

About a year after the v-10 dodges came out, a dealer in Ky had one for sale with 3900 miles on it, traded it in on a diesel----was pulling a six horse trailer past everything but a gas station--for pullin' heavy---a diesel, any diesel, is probably a better game plan.BigART

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Bill Muldoon

01-08-2004 18:37:48

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Re: Ford F250 superduty in reply to Aaron, 01-08-2004 17:36:45

As far as I'm concerned, that Triton V10 is way too much of a gas hog to be worth owning. Bet you won't get better than 9 mpg empty. Buddy of mine has one and he says it pulls like crazy, though. I'd go diesel.

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