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Large crawlers, how do you move them?.

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Jonathan

12-16-2003 12:49:38




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I went onto caterpillars website and looked around at some of the huge crawlers and mineing trucks, and I wondering how in the heck they move those things!, the roads around here have a maximum weight limit of 30,000lbs, how do you go about moving something that weighs nearly 250,000lbs?.
thanks in advance!.




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Mark

12-18-2003 11:18:46




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
I work for caterpillar, now mainly on mine sites. D11's can be hauled by a standard tractor, trailer unit. The crawlers are hauled in one peice minus the blade and ripper. The trailers are not standard though, lots of tires inorder to get the ground pressure within legal range. Large haul trucks like the 793 are so completely dissasembled you would barely recognize what they are. Boxes are cut into 3 peices and are rewelded back together on site. now for onsite transport we have a 789 haul truck modifyed to haul a huge trailer with is big enough to hold two d10's ready to work, 992 loaders etc.

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Jonathan

12-18-2003 14:47:17




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 Re: Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Mark, 12-18-2003 11:18:46  
Hi!, thanks for the info!. how many tires and axles on the special D11 trailer?. How difficult is it to take off the blade and ripper?, and does it load them?. I bet it must cost a fortune for overweight permits to move that stuff. How much does a D11 cost?. Sorry for all the questions.
thanks!.



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Mark

12-19-2003 06:36:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-18-2003 14:47:17  
The d11 trailer has something in the neiborhood of 60 tires. Only about 3500lbs load on each tire. The back two axles on the trailer are remotely steerable for manuvering in tight loading yards by a person walking beside the trailer with a remote on a cable. Ripper comes off peice by peice, too heavy and awkward to try to remove in one unit. Blade comes off, then each pusharm. These pieces are loaded onto other trailers by crane.

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Rod F.

12-17-2003 18:49:17




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
I know that here in Cape Breton, Little Narrows Gypsum has a 994 loader in the pit, which came in by barge, and I believe that assembly was completed on site. Also saw a 992 come in by rail in pieces, split in half (I think).

Rod



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bill in MA

12-17-2003 13:07:37




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
Just saw this on the history channel recently.
They ship those huge cat dump truck as parts in 50 railroad cars and assemble the truck at the mine.



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SEABEE

11-22-2005 20:46:31




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 Re: Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to bill in MA, 12-17-2003 13:07:37  
Hey man i once came from MA, i lived in Douglas. But hey i was wondering if you know what the Max side slope of a D7 Track Dozer.



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Deas Plant.

12-17-2003 05:28:25




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
Hi, Folks. I'm no expert on our road transport laws here DownUnder but I suspect that a little more common sense may prevail here than in some parts of the U.S.. Sure, we have 'light traffic' roads with varying restrictions, usually up to about 8 tons, through some mainly residential areas. Other than that, our main roads have a normal vehicle weight limit of about 53 tons gross, the loaded weight of a 'B' double road train rig.

You can get overload permits for indivisible loads
up to almost any weight for almost any road other than the 'light traffic' ones mentioned above, depending on bridge load limits. These overload permits usually require the applicant to specify the route to be taken and it is up to the applicant to do their homework before applying to ensure that all relevant bridges are cabaple of taking that load and that the route planned can handle that load.

I have not heard of any loads of the size of some of the European moves being done in Australia but I understand Lampson's have done some of over 1,000 tons using some of their specialised gear.

It is not uncommon to see a Cat D7H being floated, blade, ripper, cabin and even timber sweeps intact and I SUSPECT that they are a little over 30,000 #.

You probably have to thank the 'wanna place in the country' yuppies for those ridiculous limits. "You can make your living any way you want but not in my back yard".

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Jonathan

12-17-2003 08:14:17




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 Re: Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Deas Plant., 12-17-2003 05:28:25  
I looked up a D7R on the caterpillar website and saw operating weights of 55,000-59,000lbs. I know what you mean with the yuppies, we have quite a few of them around. Constantly complaining to the town about every little thing, including what their next door neighbor has in their yard.
Thank you!

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Wayne

12-16-2003 20:48:38




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
Like the other poast say, they just take them apart and put all the pieces on different trucks. We assembled a 518 Link-Belt several years ago on a bridge site. The customer had the machine shipped decked (the upper works already attached to the lower works) so it had to be permitted as a super load. I believe the driver said he was weighing a little over 100,000lbs. The complete rig consisted of the the truck, whic was a tri axel, then one long "jeep", then the main trailer body, and then two more shorter "jeeps". He was right at 114 ft long all togther and had to bring it to us at the dead end of a two lane country road where they actually had the bridge out. He dropped the two rear "jeeps" a mile up the road and brought it in straight since it couldn't be backed. We put the tracks on and drove the crane off the trailer and onto the side of the road under it's own power. We then picked up the jeep and set it aside, then the main trailer body. The driver backed back up the road a mile to the turn around point, turned around, and backed back in to us. We picked the trailer again, swung it around and hooked him back up and tied the "jeep" down where the crane had been and sent him back home. That was about the most fun I've had in all m y years of working on this stuff. It was a real challenge figuring out how to get everything in in such a limited space, but when everybody put their heads together, it went like clockwork.

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Heat Houser

12-16-2003 19:01:17




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
Largest thing I have ever seen on wheels was a 1400 ton vessel for a refinery in Teaxs City TX.
They off loaded it from a ship and placed it on a multi axle dolly with each set of duals hydraulically controlled for weight and for steering. To pull it, they used a Euclid truck with a bunch of weight on the back for traction.

I used to work for Hitachi who's largest hydraulic mining shovel weighs 1.1 million pounds. It has a 36 yd bucket and will do one pass in about 28-29 seconds. It came on many trucks and is assembled on site. To see really big iron, look at one of the large drag lines. 4-5 million pounds.

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john

12-17-2003 05:06:55




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 Re: Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Heat Houser, 12-16-2003 19:01:17  
They brought a vessel into a refinery by new orleans one time.
Brought it in on a two barges tied together up the mississippi river. They had to cut a pass into the levee to get it through because truck could not pull such a steep grade. On the road they went down they had to remove all elec. wires. Even had to dig up and replant some trees along side of the road. Bottom line is... If you got enough money it can be moved.

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buickanddeere

12-16-2003 17:46:08




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
They bring 130 ton generator rotors in & out of the plant on a low flatbed trailer with 8 low profile tires per "axel" and 12"axles" plus the triple axle tractor. I would like to see how Babcock and Wilcox move those massive nuclear boilers.



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Mike (WA)

12-18-2003 08:15:43




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 Re: Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to buickanddeere, 12-16-2003 17:46:08  
About 25 years ago, when they were trying to build two nuclear power plants near Satsop, Washington, they were going to build a railroad track across some prime farmland to haul in the reactors. One of the properties was owned by an elderly lady dairy farmer, who was also the foster mother to about 98 kids, and the darling of the community- she set about organizing folks to lay down in front of the bulldozers if they came, and ended up with over 1000 folks willing to do it. Everything kind of went on hold at that point, and the issue was never pressed as they had run out of money and the whole project was eventually scrapped.

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Larry NE IL

12-16-2003 14:37:41




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
Just finished getting permits for a JD 450 excavator. (about 375.00 for a 7 mile move). Have to take the counterweight off. Next is the village permit. It depends on the state and local gov'ts. Around Chicago, they all found a new source for revenue and everybody wants a piece of the action! Like the post b4, You move them in pieces. Some cranes and excavators can disassemble them selves and load their parts. Others, like large compactors and dozers, you generally remove the blades and weights. The state routes the move so bridges generally not a problem. Larry

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Jonathan

12-16-2003 16:12:35




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 Re: Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Larry NE IL, 12-16-2003 14:37:41  
How much does that 450 excavator weigh?, That seems like an awful amount for such a short move. I think I'm now starting to see why nobody has a D11 cat for custom work!.



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Heat Houser

12-16-2003 19:04:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 16:12:35  
A JD 450 excavator will weigh around 98,000 lbs +/- depending on how it is equiped. It is rather small to be found in a mine unless it is used for clean up work.



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john

12-16-2003 14:19:51




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
That is a hard question to answer as it depends on the distance you need it moved and the roads you have to use. They move whole houses down the road with proper routing and escorts. All interstate roads have a weight limit of 80,000 lbs minimum but even this gets thrown out the window with over weight permits. Bridges are the main liminting factor in moving heavy equiptment.

To move large equiptment it is taken apart. I worked for a crane company that had a 1000 ton crane that took about 30 trucks to get it down the road. To move large distances they usually haul on a train as they can handle much more weight. Then they need to use a truck just to haul to and from the train yard.

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dbear

12-16-2003 13:48:51




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
I know that some of the bigger models are shipped in a few major pieces with final assembly being performed at the customer site. Don't suppose you get the "kit" price for such a thing...



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rustyfarmall

12-16-2003 13:43:56




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 Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jonathan, 12-16-2003 12:49:38  
I don't know, maybe a very large crawler hauler?
Actually, you can exceed the max weight limit on the highways, all you have to do is pay a very hefty price for an overweight permit.



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Jerry

12-16-2003 15:21:29




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 Re: Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to rustyfarmall, 12-16-2003 13:43:56  
We had a very large plastic molding machine (10,000 ton clamping force) brought in. The trailer articulated in the middle and could be steered from the back end on some corners. Don't know the weight but there were somewhere around 60 tires on the truck and trailers. Brought in while the roads were frozen.



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Davis in SC

12-16-2003 17:07:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Large crawlers, how do you move them?. in reply to Jerry, 12-16-2003 15:21:29  
Jerry, I saw one of the rigs used to haul the big presses. Operated by an outfit called Press Express, it had 84 tires, & also had a driver's platform to steer it from the back. 10,000 ton molding press is a whopper !! What brand was it ??



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