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Balancing Tires With Golf Balls

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moonlite

11-28-2003 03:22:15




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We have a neighbor who operates a truck and tractor repair shop who reported that he balanced a difficult tire on a road tractor by putting 4 golf balls inside the tire and after running considerable distance the balls did not even have the paint worn off as they were held to the inside of the tire by centrifigual force while the truck was in motion. Ever hear of such??




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JK-NY

11-28-2003 07:11:40




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 Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to moonlite, 11-28-2003 03:22:15  
There is a substance made for balancing tires called equal put in thru the valve stem with the right equipment or you can buy a small bag of it , break down the tire and put it in . Ck with your commercial tire dealer, it is very common in truck tires these days,as it "self adjusts" the balance.



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marlowe

11-28-2003 07:03:34




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 Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to moonlite, 11-28-2003 03:22:15  
i get a real laugh out of some of the replies to this. just because they have not seen or used it it must be a joke well sorry to say it's no joke. this is a old trick that has been around for years. as to how it works i don't have a clue but it works. it work just like the liquid balance and i don't have a clue why that works but it dose and i have used ball with no wear on the inside of tire remenber this is on big truck tires only

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John K

11-28-2003 06:59:31




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 Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to moonlite, 11-28-2003 03:22:15  
I believe that it can work as I have heard that by putting a quart or two of 50/50 antifreeze in a tire will balance the tire out. I don't understand the principal of how it works, but a lot of truckers say that they use it.



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T_Bone

11-28-2003 11:19:26




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 Re: Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to John K, 11-28-2003 06:59:31  
Hi John,

I use RV anti-freeze as it's a propylenegycol water mix, freeze protection to minus 40. Won't attack rubber componds.

Regular anit-freeze is elethylenegycol which will attack some rubber compounds.

I just mounted my new Cooper SRM on my F350 dually and used 8oz of the RV anti-freeze in each tire. Works just fine as a tire balance. I ran the truck upto 85mph for a couple minutes without any tire balance problem.

I've got about 3000 miles on this method and so far no problems.

The liquid balance works by centrifical force. The fluid will distribute it's self around the tire in the low points of the tire thus a complete balance is obtained.

I don't see a problem with the golf balls other than they might be noisy at slower speeds. I would also wonder if they act as a grinding compound until balance speed is reached? I don't know as I've never seen a tire that used golf balls.

T_Bone

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wdTom

11-28-2003 17:42:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to T_Bone, 11-28-2003 11:19:26  
Not to be wise or anything, but why aren't we all putting 4 to 8 oz of liquid in our tires instead of paying to have them balanced? Sounds like it is worth trying. Is it because if we all used liquid balance the tire shops wouldn't be able to charge for balanceing?



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JOHN (LA)

11-28-2003 06:08:39




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 Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to moonlite, 11-28-2003 03:22:15  
Yes I heard of it. It works on the same principle as the automatic tire balancer sold for this purpose. The ball does not move in the tire once you get up to speed. Also the golf ball is made of a harder material than the tire so any wear would be to tire not the ball.
Get the tire balancer made of metal and for this purpose and you will be better off.



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Vern-MI

11-28-2003 06:02:12




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 Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to moonlite, 11-28-2003 03:22:15  
Don't know if they will work in tires but I think I'll try it in the next load of my wifes underwear in the washer. Those are pretty big bloomers and they tend to get off balance. Where do I get these smart balls?



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Chris

11-28-2003 07:14:10




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 Re: Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to Vern-MI, 11-28-2003 06:02:12  
Vern to say your wifes bloomers are so big they need balancing sounds like you have big enough BALLS already! LOL



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Roy in UK

11-28-2003 05:33:03




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 Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to moonlite, 11-28-2003 03:22:15  
Sounds balls to me!



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MarkB

11-28-2003 05:19:50




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 Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to moonlite, 11-28-2003 03:22:15  
Help me to understand: How are the golf balls supposed to know where they need to be to balance the tire. Are these magic golf balls?



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magic balls

11-28-2003 11:38:16




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 Re: Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to MarkB, 11-28-2003 05:19:50  
Mark while I was going to leave it with Allan's answer I figured I would let the cat out the bag.
See a spinning object will always try to balance it self. Think about it a minute. If you take a pan of water and spin it on a center point. Water will be forced to outside. (right) Will it all run to one side? No. Centrifugal force will send a even amount of water in all directions balancing it. See the tire is unbalanced and jumping up and down. Every time the heavy side of the tire gets to the top it makes the tire jump up. The balls or what ever you put in tires moves around until it gets to the light side of the tire counter balancing it then stay there till you stop.
Water is a better thing to use as it is not as abrasive as a hard object on the inside of the tire but anything will work even a hand full of rocks. Hard objects play he## with any patches or plugs you may have in tire. They make a ring that is a hollow tube with metal balls in it. It is the size of the rim and bolts between the drum and rim that does the same thing.

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MarkB

11-28-2003 19:47:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to magic balls, 11-28-2003 11:38:16  
Magic,

Sorry, but I don't see what a pan of water spinning on a vertical axis has anything to do with a tire spinning on a horizontal axis while running in contact with a road surface. A better analogy would be a barrel half full of water rolling down a hill. Does the water spread itself aroung the perimeter of the barrel? No, it stays on the bottom because gravity makes it stay there. If your washing machine becomes unbalanced because all the clothes are on one side, does if balance itself back out? No, you have to stop it, spread the clothes back around and restart it.

I'm aware of the "balance rings" you can buy at any truck stop. J. C. Whitney used to sell them (probably still do), along with all sorts of wonderful products that would double your gas mileage, etc. I'm sure that many people claim they work or they wouldn't sell them. My guess is that they provide enough damping to noticeably reduce vibration, but they sure don't improve the actual balance of the tire.

Think about it: If these products actually work, why would any tire dealer spend thousands of dollars on spin balance equipment?

This should be a simple test for anyone with access to a spin balancer: Take a mounted tire and deliberately unbalance it. Then dismount it and throw in a golf ball. Check the balance again: Is it better, worse or the same? Anyone got a spin balance machine?

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sorry but we can disagree

11-29-2003 06:54:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to MarkB, 11-28-2003 19:47:04  
Sorry but you have a couple of things you are missing here.
When a washing machine gets out of balance it has no water in it. The wet cloths are stuck to the side of the machine.
A barrel rolling down a hill is not turning fast enough. If you spin it fast enough the water will go to the perimeter of the barrel.
Tire dealers buy spin balancers to balance car tires. The average Joe that drives in town does not get up enough speed for a long enough time for this to work. He would be complaining about vibration at low speeds. So they balance the tires.
Spin balancers are now available for large tires but are seldom used. Checking this on a spin balancer would not work. It does not spin fast enough. Remember we are talking about 24.5" tires that weigh several hundred pounds each with rim not some 15" SUV tire.
Large trucks run down the road at 60 to 70 mph for hundreds of miles at a time. Not stop and go.
Enough damping to noticeably reduce vibration is about all you can expect out of large truck tires. Me and hundreds of others wish they rode like a SUV but they do not. Large trucks are always wearing flat spots in tires from braking for SUV's and a automatic balancer adjust for this. In fact with 1,500,000 miles I have never had a large truck tire balanced. We use the ring or most times nothing at all. Just mount the tire and go. My kidneys at least like the balance ring.
I would strongly recommend that no one tries to use this method in their personal vehicles. You will not be happy.
Have a great day!!!

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Allan

11-28-2003 05:33:58




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 Re: Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to MarkB, 11-28-2003 05:19:50  
Mark,

Ya gotta understand. These are very secretive soulutions for special problems.

Another little known "fix" is for a flat tire on the front of a loader tractor:

Just hook a chain from the loader bucket back to the front of the tractor. You can then just use the loader to lift the front of the tractor up and change the tire..... :>) :>) LOL!

Allan



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Roy in UK

11-28-2003 10:49:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to Allan, 11-28-2003 05:33:58  
I remember my dad telling me about a farmer who roped down a load of hay on a 4 wheel trailer, for some unknown reason they fastened one end of the rope to the trailers TURNTABLE and..... well I think you can guess the rest, now that was a b@££$ up!



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Gary Alford

11-28-2003 09:30:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to Allan, 11-28-2003 05:33:58  
Why not just use the loader bucket to hold the tractor up? Also you can use blocks and the bucket to lift the rear.



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jake

11-28-2003 06:08:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to Allan, 11-28-2003 05:33:58  
Allen I have the same situation, when I pull my wallet out my feet leave the ground.



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oleblu

11-28-2003 04:44:34




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 Re: Balancing Tires With Golf Balls in reply to moonlite, 11-28-2003 03:22:15  
Yes, and it is abrasive to the inside of the tire. DON'T DO IT. oleblu



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