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Jerry

11-24-2003 13:02:45




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Has anyone used the radiant non vented heaters that are sold by tractor supply and others. It looks like a good and cheap option verses a furnace. I think that they heat object instead of space. I need feed back because the used furnace I bought 8 years ago should be replaced.




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Stan TN

11-25-2003 16:55:40




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 Re: Non vented heaters in reply to Jerry, 11-24-2003 13:02:45  
Some states outlawed the use of non vented heaters in spaces of human occupation. Every winter you'll hear of folks who just didn't wake up. In the shop it would be ok, if you understand the symptoms of Carbon Monoxide poisoning. I won't have one. There are some pellet and corn burning stoves that don't require chimneys, just a vent like the one on a dryer.



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daveo

11-25-2003 15:42:30




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 Re: Non vented heaters in reply to Jerry, 11-24-2003 13:02:45  
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I’m using a radiant heater in my computer room. These heaters are best for ‘zone’ warmth and would be unsuited for whole house heating. For temps down to zero degrees Fahrenheit I am able to use heat settings no higher than 18000 btu. and usually lower for one or two rooms in mild temps. Generally speaking I do not need my central furnace to run unless I want the whole house warmed to an even temperature. (not often needed)
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BIGGER is NOT better when selecting a radiant heating unit, it is better to have a small unit that replaces only the heat that is lost than have a unit so large that it must be turned off to prevent the room from becoming too warm.

Do pick a unit that has actual ceramic tiles as the burner face, they reflect a lot more heat than the metal screen variety. Avoid the ‘blue flame’ heaters, as they are not a true radiant design. Most will have an electronic ‘pizo’ ignition that eliminates the need for lighting with a match.

I have a CO (carbon monoxide) detector in an adjoining room that I monitor. I have had no problems with CO concentration in 2 years. In addition all new unvented heaters will have a low oxygen safety cut off.

Unless an aerosol spray can or some other source of vapor is released in the presence of the open flame there is never any noticeable odor from the gas combustion of . One of the beneficial by-products of open-air combustion is water vapor. In the dry winter cold that is GOOD to have indoors! Overall, I’m very pleased with my selection and it has trimmed a lot of fuel use that has saved $$ in the long term. Stay Warm! – daveo

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twopop

11-24-2003 17:12:54




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 Re: Non vented heaters in reply to Jerry, 11-24-2003 13:02:45  
I purchased one last year from harbor freight.it is 30000 btu unit.they are not supposed to be used for primary heat,but,i use mine by itself until it gets down into the twentys.mine is an infrared unit and fire brick wont help.it heats objects,not air.my wife has asthma,but is not affected by the fumes as they are almost non existant.I believe they are also fuel efficient.



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RAB

11-24-2003 23:02:12




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 Re: Re: Non vented heaters in reply to twopop, 11-24-2003 17:12:54  
1) as stated lower down, ALL fuel burners MUST have enough ventilation. You should not rely on a sensing system to save your life.
2) all high temperature flames produce oxides of nitrogen, which can adversely affect asthmatics - this includes LPG or natural gas cookers. The lower the flame temperature the better, but without adequate ventilation, the NOx will increase in concentration. Indirect heating will always be better for anyone at risk of respiratory probllems.
Regards,RAB

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wdTom

11-24-2003 16:33:51




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 Re: Non vented heaters in reply to Jerry, 11-24-2003 13:02:45  
If it burns fuel it uses oxygen and gives off carbon monoxcide/dioxcide, etc. If your space is tight it will eventually use up all the air in it.



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Bman

11-24-2003 17:34:33




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 Re: Re: Non vented heaters in reply to wdTom, 11-24-2003 16:33:51  
Mine is the orange flame and it has a low oxygen safety shutoff. I use it in my garage and it works great.



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T_Bone

11-24-2003 22:33:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Non vented heaters in reply to Bman, 11-24-2003 17:34:33  
Hi WdTom,

Tom you said it well.

All carbon based fuels have to be vented. Period!

There are no exceptions.

T_Bone



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larry h

11-24-2003 16:33:08




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 Re: Non vented heaters in reply to Jerry, 11-24-2003 13:02:45  
we use and install these units be sure and get the orange flame you will like it better



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Nebraska Cowman

11-24-2003 16:27:40




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 Re: Non vented heaters in reply to Jerry, 11-24-2003 13:02:45  
I use one in my kitchen for the past 10 years. Never run more than one burner because I don't like the smell. It does put out a nice even heat and I like to sit in front of it in the morning. Good supplimental heat but would not want to heat the whole house.



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Archie

11-24-2003 16:26:48




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 Re: Non vented heaters in reply to Jerry, 11-24-2003 13:02:45  
Hello Jerry. I have two friends that use those type of heaters. One of them has a 30000 btu in a 12x60 mobile home. last year he used around four hundred gallons of propane here in southwest missouri. The other one uses one in a room he added on. The one with mobile home says to get one with the fire brick in it.And a blower on it. Our temperature goes down to zero some not for long at a time. They both really like them. Hope this helps. Archie

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