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Rhett

11-16-2003 18:11:06

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I'm thinking of buying a new 6.0 powerstroke was just wondering how they are doing? Power.. Problems..Towing.. Any experiences. Thanks

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Terry Nelson

11-18-2003 11:30:14

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

I would highly recommend you buy the Ford. I own quite a few shares of Ford stock and am taking a real beating on it! On the other hand, I drive a Chevy Duramax, tow a 30 foot trailer, and love it. I've heard more baloney from Dodge/Cummins owners on this site about the Duramax. Wonder how they know so much about it since they don't drive one? Their complaints about Duramax and Powerstroke aren't supported by real data, just heresay. I'm glad they like their Cummins, though, we will all benefit from serious competition in truck/engine manufacturing.

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Shane

11-18-2003 12:42:52

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Terry Nelson, 11-18-2003 11:30:14

The only problems I have heard with the Duramax is heads may crack, and only cause those yahoo's who don't understand how to treat an engine after pulling their horses or whatever. They just shut them down without letting them idle and cool properly. I understand that the engines have aluminum heads and an iron block, different cooling rates. Not the greatest idea but if shut down properly there aren't any problems.

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Rauville

11-17-2003 16:50:42

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Check this out, it may be the answer to all the problems!

Link

A NEW Ford with a NEW Cummins...Wow!

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T_Bone

11-17-2003 18:28:39

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rauville, 11-17-2003 16:50:42

Ya but why do they reuse the 4r100? If you going to spend that kind of money, why not a Allision 3036 or simular.

Can you see the prices on a 2004 F350 DRW 6x6? WOW!

T_Bone

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George

11-17-2003 16:26:43

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Wish Dodge would get rid of their weak-link transmission and go to the Allison six-speed auto hooked up to the Cummins. Now that would be a pickup truck! I heard rumors about this happening a couple years ago, but haven't heard anything since.

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mikeinmo

11-17-2003 15:20:31

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Sure would like a new ford myself but I'm afraid of the 6.0. Had an 83 with the 6.9 ran it 260,000 with only one starter and two injector pumps. Got a 96 now with a 7.3 and 80,000. Only changed the waterpump so far. We bought both of these trucks new and done all the maintenance ourselves, (nothing major though). Had a Ford salesman tell me the other day that you have to completely remove the radiator on a 6.0 to change the serpentine belt now. If I was rich I would have someone build me a new ford bodystyle with a DT 466 Binder in it for a powerplant. Anyone else heard the rumor that freightliner is getting into the pickup market?

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Nate

11-26-2003 20:25:27

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to mikeinmo, 11-17-2003 15:20:31

Good call

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Mark

11-17-2003 14:57:22

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Even the guys on the Ford truck forum(www.ford-truck.com) don't have much good to say about them.

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jeff

11-17-2003 11:49:24

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

I have an 03' F250, however I got it with the 7.3. This truck pulls my enclosed car hauler or sleeper trailer like nothing is there. The power is superb!!! Great fuel mileage! Highly recommend!!!

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anothertractor

11-17-2003 10:12:38

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

It looks like a lot of people share my feelings on trucks. I have never driven or rode in a Chevy with Duramax. To tell you the truth, I don't know anybody that has one. I have heard a lot of troubles with them. I know that Ford has always made a good dependable truck and I am not familiar with the 6.0. I only know one guy that has one so far. The Cummings in the Dodge is a great combination. I have a 2003 quad cab 3500 with the high output (305 hp) and 6 speed manual with 3:73 gears. I am very satisfied. It gets between 20 and 21 MPG in the foothills of the blue ridge mountains not loaded and has power galore. My hardest pull was coming from Arkansas pulling 11000 lbs and only got out of 6th gear one time in 1000+ miles running about 80 MPH.

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Don c

11-17-2003 08:48:54

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Wait on the newer engine, due out in January, mine is leaking oil out the rear main seal again, last rear main seal installed in June. To many other problems to list. Pulling a 36.5 fifth wheel, 14,000 no problem with power, just can't keep it out of the shop. Just had a data recorder put on by Ford for 2 days to see what all is going on with it, haven't heard what they found yet. WAIT on the newer engine. Don c

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dhermesc

11-17-2003 11:35:35

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Don c, 11-17-2003 08:48:54

You read through the rests of the posts, I don't think a redesigned engine is going to solve the problems Ford has at that plant. Their quality control has gone to crap and an hourly even posted something about the crappy attitude of the assemblers. You don't solve those problems by giving them something NEW to build. Doesn't exactly inspire one to start writing a check for about $40,000 for a new truck.

I driven Fords my entire life and have NEVER like their diesels. Make my mine a V10 or a Dodge.

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Ben

11-17-2003 08:27:12

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

I have a 2003 Dodge with the newer quieter cummings, and have about 12000 hard miles on it and it is getting 20 mpg not pulling and has incedible power, no problems. I priced and test drove the ford and GM, the ford was about 4000 more for the same truck as the dodge, the duramax is very expensive to buy parts for and the new 6.0 is also expensive so when they go out of warranty there will be alot of them for sale. The dodge is the only one with a true big truck engine in it.

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rustyfarmall

11-17-2003 10:07:47

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Ben, 11-17-2003 08:27:12

I am going to jump in here and offer my opinion, nothing against any of you, but an awful lot of you think that the Cummins is one heck of an engine, and as far as what is available in a pickup truck, you are probably correct, but why doesn't any one offer a CAT engine in a pick-up truck? When you get into the heavy trucks, the CAT will run circles around a cummins any day.

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bib man

11-18-2003 16:33:16

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Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-17-2003 10:07:47

fuel mileage, emissions, expense for parts, no kicks from manufacturer, you know the drill

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Mike

11-17-2003 14:11:15

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Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-17-2003 10:07:47

Even the "Cat" engine offered in the 6500 series Chevy and GMC is a Perkins.

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Ron 1456

11-17-2003 11:43:15

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Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-17-2003 10:07:47

It all depends on which engines you are comparing. Cat measures the horsepower at the rear wheels. Detroit measures it at the flywheel. I'm not sure about Cummins. If you compare a 475 Cat, 470 Detroit, and a 460 Cummins the Cat is the winner hands down. If you compare a 475 Cat, 500 Detroit, and a 500 Cummins then they are pretty much even. I have always liked the Cat engines but when I bought my truck I ended up with a Detroit because of price. Some friends of mine who run trucks over the road use only Cummins engines. I think they're all good engines.

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Rod F.

11-17-2003 12:44:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Ron 1456, 11-17-2003 11:43:15

Guess I may as well spout off too. The only problem I see with the Cat is the price. Expensive to buy, and expensive to fix, but they are for the most part, very good engines. Usually in the long run the ownership cost is less. Too bad Ford wouldn't put a 3116 or 3126 in their trucks. That would make an awesom package. The only reason I would ever buy another Dodge is for a Cummins. They ride like crap. In my opinion the Ford is a much nicer truck.

Rod

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Ben

11-17-2003 13:15:55

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rod F., 11-17-2003 12:44:05

The new dodges ride alot better then the fords or the older dodges, Cat couldn't fit their smaller engines in the PU's from my understanding, and the smaller cat engines have never proven themselves as well as the big cat truck engines have. The small Cats have had alot of problems over the years and they are expensive to work on but so is the newer cummings now.

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Steve

11-17-2003 08:14:53

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

I am a certified Ford mechanic, I worked at a Ford dealer for 6 years, I loved the 7.3, besides an ocasional glow plug relay you never saw any problems with them, but the 6.0 has problems. I would stay away from the 6.0, and I would for sure stay away from the GM Duramax, the duramax is junk! I would go with Dodge, Cummins is a great engine.

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Willy-N

11-17-2003 07:57:45

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Reading the comments below makes me wonder why they make fun of Chevys? I just bought a 95 4X4 Chevy Silverado Club Cab with 71,000 miles on it. The old guy I got it from changed the oil every 2,000 miles the engine and the truck has never had any problems with it! It feels like a new running truck to me. I am the second owner and have his log book for the truck to prove he took care of it. It has the 5.7 V-8 fuel injected Gas Engine and gets 15 miles plus to the gallon. I quess I just like the proven 350 Chevy Small Blocks. I think they got the bugs worked out now! Mark H.

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clint

11-18-2003 20:16:46

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Willy-N, 11-17-2003 07:57:45

71,000 miles isn't enough for braggin rights yet. Put another 100,000 on it then tell us what you think.

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huh? diesel topic?

11-17-2003 08:43:44

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Willy-N, 11-17-2003 07:57:45

6.5 gmc diesel have bad reputation - injector pumps are weak. 5.7 ain't no diesel willy!

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Jimmy King

11-17-2003 09:17:42

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Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to huh? diesel topic?, 11-17-2003 08:43:44

I believe Willy SAID it was a gasoline.

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diesel topic

11-17-2003 09:39:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Jimmy King , 11-17-2003 09:17:42

5.7 is gas, but topic? diesel--- or at least thats what i thought- jmds

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Jimmy King

11-17-2003 09:43:20

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to diesel topic, 11-17-2003 09:39:40

I just took it he was going to stay with a gasoline as I am since all the big three Diesels all seem to be junk!!!

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Willy-N

11-17-2003 13:43:20

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Jimmy King, 11-17-2003 09:43:20

I still haven't been sold on the small truck Deisels yet. I have not realy figured the savings yet for what I use a truck for. It is on topic because people keep talking about how great they are but big time repairs if something goes wrong so that is why I still use gas. I have a Cat in my big truck and like it so far. Mark H.

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chevy

11-17-2003 08:20:58

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Willy-N, 11-17-2003 07:57:45

i am a chevy man
i like a cummins motor but, the truck that it comes in is a piece of junk, (dodge)
ford isnt bad, but i wouldnt trade a bushel of wanlnuts for a 6.0 powerstroke

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George Bickel

11-17-2003 07:45:33

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Hey y'all;
I understand that Ford purchased Cummins and that Dodge is going to start putting in Mercedes diesels in their new trucks. I had heard this and then a Dodge dealership told me this was true. 2001 Dodge 3500 4X4 - I like it, however, my drivers side window sticks a little and the elec. motor has a hard time lowering it sometimes. I just replaced a hub bearing ($600.00) but that has been it 48000 miles.

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Jim (Mi)

11-17-2003 12:16:35

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to George Bickel, 11-17-2003 07:45:33

George, This is "Not" true. It was proposed by DCX to provide the Mercedes Diesel. When Dodge did a survey they found out many people who were otherwise "NEVER" Dodge fans were buying their trucks solely based on the Cummins. They complain about the truck, but love the engine. That is why they re-newed their contract last year I believe.

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George Bickel

11-18-2003 05:17:04

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Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Jim (Mi), 11-17-2003 12:16:35

I really like the engine. Clean, inline six, just how a diesel should be. V8 diesels always remind me of gasoline conversions. I will have to wait and see how everything works out. For the prices we pay for all of this sh**, they all should run flawlessly and for a long time.

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Bob

11-17-2003 11:36:33

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to George Bickel, 11-17-2003 07:45:33

I probably shouldn't jump in here, because I can't afford a truck this new anyway, and I don't tend to buy Fords anyway, but here goes.

1. I believe the myth of Ford buying Cummins has been debunked here in the past.

2. Ford 6.0 diesels are VERY QUIET, compared to the 7.3's.

3. If you go to Cummin's website, you will find out that Cummins and Dodge have a contract for Cummins to supply engines for Dodge pickups for quite a number of years into the future!

4. I think a lot of the reason Ford went to the 6.0 was to meet upcoming emissions requirements. The have a high pressure common-rail fuel system similar to the Duramax, an apparently at some point, Cummins has gone that way too, in their 5.9, so more than likely the revision of the Powerstroke was more to meet govt. requirements, and they rushed it into production. It will probably be just fine after some growing pains are worked out in the "O" rings and such in the high pressure fuel system.

5. I have a 1994 Chevy 6.5 diesel, which admittedly I do not pull the guts out of. I bought it at 60,000 miles. The pump had just been replaced. I now have 210,000 miles on it with NO REPAIRS.

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Jack

11-17-2003 07:14:05

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

I bought a 2003 F250 with the 6.0 in it about a month ago. Got about 2500 miles on it--no problems so far. Before I bought it I asked around a lot and got horror stories for Ford, Chevy/GMC and Dodge. Went to a farm auction and saw probably 3 times as many Ford diesels as all the other makes combined. Figured if it does have problems at least I'll have a lot of company. What's a guy to do? Until the Japanese build a heavy duty pickup we're stuck with the big three.

If you do buy Ford, don't buy from Phil Long Ford in Colorado. Biggest jerks you'll ever find.

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11-17-2003 07:05:05

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Good friend of mine got a brand new truck.Came over to show it off, seen my boat and wanted to go fishin. I said ok hooked up and we went to the lake. Got the boat in the water and he parked the truck. When it came time to get it out of the water it wouldn`t pull it up the ramp! a guy with a Dodge cummins hooked on to it and dragged it out and up the boat ramp. I felt sorry for him he bragged about his new truck all the way there. He now owns a DODGE.

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Mike in md

11-17-2003 06:59:58

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

If you are going to get one, buy 2, at least that way you might keep one running while the other one is in the shop. i've had mine for 3 months(90 days) its been in the shop 58 of the 90 days.They are putting in a new engine right now.

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Mike S

11-17-2003 06:49:01

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Forget the ford and buy a DODGE!! cant go wrong with a CUMMINS!!!!

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Tom

11-17-2003 12:00:10

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Mike S, 11-17-2003 06:49:01

Rather have a horse than a Dodge.

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Jimmy King

11-17-2003 09:58:45

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Mike S, 11-17-2003 06:49:01

My Co. had 4 Freightliners FL70's with C Cummins in them nothing but trouble from day one with all except the one I drive. They turn them over at 400,000 One was replaced with IH from another wharehouse in Company. They allmost ordered new IH's to replace the next 2 [shudder] now getting Freightliners with Cats in them?????

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jim

11-17-2003 09:44:52

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Mike S, 11-17-2003 06:49:01

if you get a Cummins, you better get ear plugs, my 16 yr old daughter even can tell a Dodge is coming, sounds like my grandson's rattle

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Jimmy King

11-17-2003 10:01:15

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Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to jim, 11-17-2003 09:44:52

Powerstrokes rattle pretty loud too.

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Caseworker

11-17-2003 05:15:48

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Test drove one this fall, and had to walk back to the dealer's after the damn thing quit a mile down the road. Salesman told me to wait till after the first of the year for the "better, improved engine". He also said they had 3 or 4 6.0 engines sitting on pallets ready to be shipped back to Ford that they had replaced.

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rla

11-17-2003 04:58:01

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

I am a parts manager at a Ford store, so I've seen
the 6.0. The run great, plenty of power, quiet! But I won't take one as a gift. There's just too
many things stacked against it. We do have a few
out that have been trouble free, many more have
not been. Parts cost way too much for this
engine & too many Mickey Mouse parts.

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Jailkeeper

11-16-2003 20:58:56

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Click on the link below - it's a forum for Ford fans, they are discussing their woes on the new PSD's.

Personnally, I'm a diehard GM fan. I work with a guy who has a '03 F250 with the 6.0 PSD. He paid over $30K for a standard cab 4x4. Way too much in my opinion. He's came to work twice driving a loaner car. His excuse - "the truck is in for an oil change". I don't know any dealer that will provide a loaner car overnight just for an oil change. I think he's having problems but won't admit it because we give him so much grief about it.

Ford Truck Enthusiast

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Paul

11-17-2003 05:09:42

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Jailkeeper, 11-16-2003 20:58:56

The diesel engine GM uses is an Isuzu (JAPANESE) engine!!!! I would WALK first!

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Jailkeeper

11-17-2003 20:54:09

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Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Paul, 11-17-2003 05:09:42

I never stated anything about being a GM diesel fan, I just said I was a GM fan.

Truth be told, for every junk Ford, there's a Chevy and Dodge somebody's cussing.

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wait a minute

11-17-2003 08:49:03

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Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Paul, 11-17-2003 05:09:42

I put 278,000 miles on an Isuzu diesel, and other than oil changes all it needed was a set of easily installed glow plugs. You can't knock Isuzu,
not while I'm around.

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DAW

11-17-2003 18:10:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to wait a minute, 11-17-2003 08:49:03

Don't forget to add the line Joe Isuzu used to say after your statement.

"I put 270,000 miles on an Isuzu diesel, and all it needed was glow plugs. TRUST ME...WOULD I LIE???"

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dhermesc

11-17-2003 11:40:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to wait a minute, 11-17-2003 08:49:03

I agree, as for buying American, the Ranger I had was built in America with a German engine and a Jap transmission (who lost WW2?). Most of the 80's and 90's Fords had jap built transmissions and I now hear the transmission in my Gran Marquis was built in FRANCE!

I heard the Isuzu diesel was a great engine, unless GM somehow screwed it up but trying to get it manufactured cheaper.

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TONY

11-17-2003 06:04:47

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Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Paul, 11-17-2003 05:09:42

WELL PUT PAUL!!!!! !

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gene

11-16-2003 20:20:54

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

i have a freind who tried one for a month an took it back an traded it for a new old style 7.3. is alot happier. said it does not have the pulling power that the 7.3 has. he is not the only one that i have heard that from. people who use it for pulling are not happy.
just my 2 cents worth. johndeeregene

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bill in colo

11-16-2003 19:00:00

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Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Rhett , 11-16-2003 18:11:06

Be Sure and get a cell phone with it as several have left their owners stranded. Also no one is currently making an exhaust brake for it

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Ray,IN

11-16-2003 20:39:21

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Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to bill in colo, 11-16-2003 19:00:00

Peruse the camping forums and read the posts under "tow vehicles", and read the Ford diesel forums. The 6L Ford engine is having many problems. Some guys have forced Ford to buy them back under state lemon laws. This seems to be another case of "messing with a good thing". The 7.3 diesel has proven itself over time to be a reliable, durable engine. Of the big three: Ford, Dodge, and GM, Dodge is the only one using a medium duty diesel engine the others are rated light duty diesels.

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waynesville

11-23-2003 01:32:51

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Re: Re: Re: New 6.0 Powerstroke in reply to Ray,IN, 11-16-2003 20:39:21

I don't know about the new diesle but I had a 86 6.9 with over 500000 miles on it when I wrecked it.I found another one with only 400000 on it.It sure is nice having a new truck.Buy the ford.

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