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Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment

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Greg Fairbairn

11-08-2003 11:04:48




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Has anyone ever purchased or used one of the Nortrac tractors Northern sells? one of my coworkers is thinking about one because of the price. Fromthe add in the cataolg there aer some things that worry me like warrenty and parts sources . I would be greatful for any advise,thanks.




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Belarus is #1

11-09-2003 16:43:56




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
for low cost utility tractors.

If your looking for low cost 4x4 ultiltiy tractor Belarus is worth at least a look. Granted they are not fancy but they are built heavy. No comparison to the cheap chinese makes or some 50 year old Ford N! I use a 80hp Belarus on my farm as a utility tractor it performs very well and has 2500hrs on it.

Belarus has been kicking around N/A for some 30 years and have dealers all over. You can buy used ones very reasonable.

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jocco

11-09-2003 05:53:35




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
some of these were an offshute of belaruse



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Alvin n Ms.

11-09-2003 07:03:48




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 Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equip in reply to jocco, 11-09-2003 05:53:35  
Greg, you get what you pay for. Back in the 60s lots of people bought David Browns to save money to their sorrow, (even though they were much better than lots of the foreign crap that is being sold here these days) You don't see very many David Browns around anymore and the people are pulling their hair out, that do own them.Same with the Longs. Most of the Fords, MFs, JDs, sold then are still here| Stear clear of Fords with auto trans. and the late 50s, early 60s diesel. Perkins, is one of the better diesels. Kabota is the only foriegn tractor, I would consider, and I think they are overated. The 35 MF (3cyl) was the best and most versatile tractor of all times. Don't play into your mother n laws hands and be the fool she thinks, buy AMERICAN|

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Rod F.

11-09-2003 18:21:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool e in reply to Alvin n Ms., 11-09-2003 07:03:48  
_"Back in the 60s lots of people bought David Browns to save money to their sorrow"_
Don't know about your area, but in mine, Brown was quite a tractor in it's day. It certainly owed nothing to any N/A built tractor of it's time. I know of a few of them with over 10000 hours, and never been worked on in any serious way. As for not being around anymore, they haven't been made in 30 years, and Case has been quite systematic in reducing support for them. With the supply of used parts in continuous decline, and many OEM parts no longer available, it goes without saying that it grows harder to maintain them all the time. A 990 DB or an 880 for that matter were a far more able tractor than the 600 and 800 series or the N series Fords they replaced at the time. As far as US built goes, I doubt that you will find a tractor in any class from the major tractor companies that is completly built in USA, or North America. Some are assembled here. Most are not. All have parts or major components sourced from around the globe, and have since a long time. You should do some research on that. You might be surprised. You take care now.

Rod

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Larry

11-09-2003 17:04:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool e in reply to Alvin n Ms., 11-09-2003 07:03:48  
I replaced my old ultility tractor a MF 90 with a Belaurs 825. Sorry but no comparison the Belarus is a better unit.

Old American built tractors have their place. But I know more than one guy who has bought an old JD, Ford, MF and so on that was nothing but a big pile of worn out junk!! Beleive me I know cause they bring them down for me to try and fix. I feel sorry for some of these guys cause they got ripped off.

I bought a USED low hr. 7 year old (not 40 year old) belarus with a domestic loader and hyd. valves for what some pay for thier lawn mower tractors! It gets used for around the farm all the time. They are crude and not fancy by any means but can do the job any other tractor can.

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Robert in W. Mi

11-09-2003 15:19:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool e in reply to Alvin n Ms., 11-09-2003 07:03:48  
buy American??? How you going to do that "IF" you need a tractor under 100 hp????? ?????

Lots of David Browns here still working just fine!!

Fair amount of SAME's working here too. I have two new(er) SLH tractors, and they have been trouble free for me!!!

Haveing said that: I'd not pay anything for a chinese tractor that "will" be a leaking problem almost from the time you get it home!!!

Robert

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Rick M

11-09-2003 03:27:00




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
A few months ago I remember reading wear a guy bought a Nortrac and after a few months one of the castings cracked and he couldnt get it replaced in time. Of course why would a newer tractor have a cracked casting. Instead of spending $6000 or so on a Nortrac just spend $4000 or so and get a good used 9N, they are always for sale by me between 2-5K and parts available and very reliable.



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hay

11-09-2003 03:12:47




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
no exp. with that brand, but the chinese/korean tractors in general have an overall "cheap" look. the jap tractors are a little better, but still not like the older american quality. for myself i bought an older (1973) ford 4000 at a reasonable price and put a few little repairs in it and have a real dandy tractor with plenty of power ( 52 pto hp). just a thought for your friend that is looking, that the older american tractors can be repaired easier and parts still available at most dealers and/or aftermarket dealers. also services work can be done by almost any competent mechanic as the hydraulics are not as complicated as more modern machines. the sweetness of cheap prices is forgotton sooner than the bitterness of poor quality. just my .02 cents worth.

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Dieselrider

11-08-2003 20:19:49




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
I have not owned one of these tractors so I have no experience with them. I do have a small machine shop and have some experience with Chinese made tooling and fixtures. They are ok for someone who just wants to tinker but, not for anyone who wants or needs to hold close tolerances. They are cheaper in price and that draws you in but they are not quality. Even their cutters are not very accurate and they dull very quick compared to more pricey American tools. We have decided that from now on we'll pay the price to get something that will work. I am as guilty as everyone else in that I want cheap prices for the things I buy however, you get what you pay for. I also would like to make good wages at what I do, and if everyone buys on price alone we won't be working in this country very long. I don't know what you do for a living but, how would you like it if everyone who deals with you were to start dealing with the chinese and you were put out of business? Just my $.02.

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looking

11-08-2003 18:38:37




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
Greg they are selling them on E Bay right now.



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Dan

11-08-2003 17:30:59




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
I haved owned a chinese tractor for almost 5 years now,and , granted I don't put over 50 hours a year on it, snowplowing and brushogging. I have almost 300 hours on it, have not had 1 problem.I think that there maybe some negative posts on these tractors from non owners, who haven't had any experience at all with them.....



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paul

11-08-2003 20:59:50




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 Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equip in reply to Dan, 11-08-2003 17:30:59  
I farm, as quite a few folks have at least a background in farming around here.

I put 300 hours per year as a minimum on each of 6 tractors.

I looked at these China tractors, Jinma dealer & Homier sales. They have poor paint, rusting already & weren't even sold. They have very, very poor looking hyd controls on the loader controls, I would break them in 50 hours, and i'm pretty gentle on my equipment. The whole fit & finish looks poor. Tolerances for various things just look like parts are waiting to fall off.

If someone needs a tractor for 50 hours a year, you probably could get by without a tractor, or rent, or get a $4000 old tractor.

Buying these China tractors, you will be stuck with it. No one is going to pay much at all for a used one.

While I have never run one, I've inspected them, and there is little good to say about their design or quality.

If one has to have a new tractor, and won't actually use it, and does not need to depend on it, then I suppose it's an ok purchase.

I'm not trying to pick on you Dan, I'm just offering my opinion to the original poster. I'm glad the machine has worked well for you. My local mechanic would have a dozen or so stories of total falures, with very difficult parts sourcing. At least the parts are so crude, a lot he could have built at the local machine shop, and were far better than oem.

Forty years ago cars from Japan were a joke. Now they are some of the best quality.

Welcome to China. We might get good tractors from them in 40 years.....

--->Paul

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Dan

11-09-2003 07:07:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool e in reply to paul, 11-08-2003 20:59:50  
I would be better off hiring out my tractor work?
In this area the going rate is 50 to 60 dollars an hour for tractor and operator. With 300 hours on my machine I would have spent 15000 to 18000 dollars on renting. makes no sense, my tractor only cost 6500 dollars and I had the fun of running it. Standing on the curb looking at a piece of a equipment is no way to judge it...



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paul

11-09-2003 20:23:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern too in reply to Dan, 11-09-2003 07:07:40  
Tractor rentals are about 1/2 that without an operator 'here', but I won't argue the point, if one wants to own, one wants to own. :) And good for that. :)

I can stand on the curb and look at a piece of junk and know it is, indeed, apiece of junk. the 3 tractors, made in China, that Homier was trying to sell (it did not help that the guy representing them said they were made by the Chineese division of Kubota so they were just like Kubota...) were pieces of junk. They may not be related at all to what you own, I do not mean to comment on your particular machine. The loader & it's controls especially were extremely crude. On that point, I'll certainly stand my ground. :) I can certainly tell a poor piece of equipment from the 'curb'. Buying nearly all my machinery at auctions, one learns to look things over closely, & see what holds up & what breaks.

If your machine has done what you wanted, good for you. I would suggest 50 hours a year is a pretty light test, & if it is built anything like the Homier machine, you shouldn't push it any harder! ;)

At least the China-made engines are fairly good for their price. It is the rest of the machine that is of question. Perhaps Jinma has put a bit more effort & polish into it than the Homier branded thing.

--->Paul

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Robert in W. Mi

11-09-2003 15:49:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern too in reply to Dan, 11-09-2003 07:07:40  
My friend bought a MFWD Jima on price alone, it was a warr. "nightmare"!! He finally started building the parts himself, like the 3 point arms that were all bent up. I can't even tell you how much silcone he has used on leaks, and retapped bolt holes to bigger size to fix pulled out bolts, from useing a loader on it!!

I personally have used (3) (or 4?) different chinese machines, i won't hurt your feeling with what i thought of them.

One dealer here quit selling them because they had too many warr. problems with them.

Second dealer switched to "gray market" Kubota's because the chinese tractors had too many problems.

I'm glad you like your china tractor, because if you didn't, you'd still be stuck with it!! And, i don't mean that in a bad or degradeing way!!

Robert

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Frank

11-08-2003 17:21:39




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
tell him to send me the money and i'll put it to good use. i will save him a big headack

ps do not buy junk



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beer cans?

11-08-2003 17:04:35




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
Recently a traveling tool sale came through, Homier?, and had some with their own "brand" on them. They didn't exactly exude 'quality'! China seems to be fast catching up to what Korea was...."the land of almost right". Buyer beware.



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gene b

11-08-2003 16:32:13




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
Aint heard nothing good about them. There is a reason they are cheap.



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Bill

11-08-2003 14:47:13




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
I have heard nothing good about em. Bad steering mechanisms, bad castings. Sounds like junk with new paint on it. Your buddy is better off buying a simplicity or spend the money and get a new holland or Kubota. THe Nortracs are JUNK.



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John K

11-08-2003 19:27:32




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 Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equip in reply to Bill, 11-08-2003 14:47:13  
It seems that most tractors made over the pond have delivery problems for parts, I bought a New Holland TN75S in July and still waiting for for some options that were supposed to be in stock. Also a hydrolic lever has been on order for over 1 month.



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Fawteen

11-08-2003 13:49:01




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 Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equipment in reply to Greg Fairbairn, 11-08-2003 11:04:48  
Chinese import. Jinma. From what I hear, terrible build quality, worse reliability, non-existant parts support.

Of course, there will be at least one person on this board who has one and loves it...



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Van

11-08-2003 16:18:11




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 Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool equip in reply to Fawteen, 11-08-2003 13:49:01  
Yea, you are right, somebody will have one and love it, of course they only put 20 hours on it a year



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Pitch

11-08-2003 17:29:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern tool e in reply to Van, 11-08-2003 16:18:11  
Not trying to start a fight here, but have any of you guys that made the above comments had any actual hands on experience with them? I am very skeptical that a $5000.00 tractor would be much good but never having touched one or known anyone that owned one I am not qualified to make a comment one way or the other. I have just noticed that in the past there seem to be a tendency for some posters not just on these boards but across the net in general to automatically denigrate any piece of equipment that does'nt carry an American companies name.

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Van

11-08-2003 18:46:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern too in reply to Pitch, 11-08-2003 17:29:29  
No I have never owned one and do not intend to. I have two friends that bought one each last year and are more than the occasional user (bought as a second string haying tractor). They first toughted thier virtues to me about the "same thing" and lower price, same quality, etc..... Well after 2800-4500 hours each they are slap wore out and have had various troubles. The boys are cry'in the blues, one tried to trade it (and probably will) and even the dealer he got it from don't want to give much for it. Forget about trying to trade it at a mainline dealer, thats a joke, just try it. They both agree the least they should have got is a Kubota, OR a good used US built machine. At least the quality is there with a Kubota.

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Dieselrider

11-08-2003 20:03:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Northern in reply to Van, 11-08-2003 18:46:18  
Are there any American made machines in that HP range anymore?



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Bob Semrau

11-08-2003 20:22:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from Nort in reply to Dieselrider, 11-08-2003 20:03:07  
third party image

Only one that I know of ...



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paul

11-08-2003 21:11:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nortrac tractors from in reply to Bob Semrau, 11-08-2003 20:22:41  
That does have 'Allis G' written all over it. Never heard of it before, thanks for sharing!

--->Paul



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