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Bryan

10-25-2003 23:42:08




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Hello... Where can I purchase ether starting aid kits ?? 12 or 24 volt ??? Thanks Bryan




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RJ-AZ

10-27-2003 04:14:00




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 Re: ether starting aids in reply to Bryan, 10-25-2003 23:42:08  
To answer your question ; you should be able to get an ether kit at your NAPA or a heavy truck parts place. A good kit should have all the plumbing needed and also a heat sensor to deactivate the system after warmup. Had an Aussie truck driver on time that was consistently out pulling me on a long grade, asked him what he was doing and he replied "Oh ya know mate push the button count to 3 and do it again".

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Don Wadge

10-26-2003 21:47:52




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 Re: ether starting aids in reply to Bryan, 10-25-2003 23:42:08  
I get a kick out of this discussion every time it appears. All the experts come out like they've been inside the cylinder at the time and know exactly what goes on. I guess they either don't use their tractor that day or do they just grind away until a little longer. That does a lot of good too. Heat up the starter, wear out the drive, wash down the cyliners, let one or two other cylinders that don't want to fire right away continue with the raw fuel. Do your engine a favour guys and give it a common sense sniff of the good stuff.

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marlowe

10-27-2003 16:12:24




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 Re: Re: ether starting aids in reply to Don Wadge, 10-26-2003 21:47:52  
well said DON



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Wayne

10-26-2003 21:07:27




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 Re: ether starting aids in reply to Bryan, 10-25-2003 23:42:08  
Hey Bryan, I won't dispute the other posts in that yes an engine can get addicted to ether, I've seen it many times. Yes,like anything else used in excess, ether can and will damage the engine eventually if you use too much or don't use it right. I see people spraying the fool out of the intake and then running to start the engine and it knocking and pounding and yes that is killing that engine. All it takes is to get the engine turning first and then give it just a little bit. That's what your looking for, a properly jetted start aid that injects just the right amount of ether for that particular engine to assist in in starting and not something that "dumps it in" to make the engine run. If you take one of the factory start aids like this and unhook the feed line and hit the inject button, you'd see just how small of an amount one of the systems actually uses. You'd be hard pressed to hit the nozzel on a can that quick. I agree, a block heater is easy on the engine, but the problem there is you have park your tractor by a receptical every time, and leave the heater plugged in all night, every night, to keep it warm in freezing weather. It's either this or get up several hours earlier than you want to start work and plug it in then and hope it warms up as quick as you want it to. If you'd put a meter just on the receptical where you plug it in and see how much it costs you at the end of each month to keep your tractor warm I think it would suprise you. Four years ago I replaced the block heater on a friends IH with an ether start aid and he loves it. No longer was it taking 5 minutes of turning the engine over to get it to fire all the while causing wear and tear on the bearings from low/no oil pressure. Now the engine spins over maybe twice and starts instantly when he hits the inject button with no knocking, pounding, etc. Just a smooth flawless start everytime. come summer time and warm weather, it starts flawlessly too without having to wean it off the ether. This tells me that used in the right amount ether isn't as addictive to the engine as it is straight out of your typical spray can. Now to answer your question, just about any of your heavy truck parts places should be able to get the kits, as well as the dealership for the machine you want to put it on. Good luck.

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RAB

10-27-2003 00:01:30




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 Re: Re: ether starting aids in reply to Wayne, 10-26-2003 21:07:27  
This 'getting addicted' stuff is really a load of rubbish. Any engine which needs ether, on a regular basis, to start is most likely a well worn and out-of-spec engine. Continued use of the engine would make it more difficult to start, even without the ether. Using it on an engine such as this is likely to lead to broken rings (already too much side play in the grooves) amongst other problems such as loose bearings with no lubrication pressure at fire up, starting in such cold conditions that the engine has to be revved hard to keep it going..... . It's not addicted, it's due an overhaul.
Regards, RAB

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Jim in NM

10-26-2003 10:27:14




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 Re: ether starting aids in reply to Bryan, 10-25-2003 23:42:08  
You should be able to get an ether assist kit from your local dealer. Or at least they should be able to order one for you. I agree, this isn't the best thing to use on an engine on a regular basis. Saw a man start his 856 with ether one time after we installed the kit on it for him. I just knew that we would be putting a new block in that tractor REAL SOON.

Has anyone hear ever tried using gasoline to start a diesel with? When I worked in the garages and we had a tractor that didn't want to start. Sometimes we took a gasoline soaked rag to the intake for the air cleaner. Took a few turns on the starter, but it sure did roar when it did start up. This is also a practice that I wouldn't recomend doing on a regular basis either.

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Dr Cy Kosis

10-26-2003 10:14:37




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 Re: ether starting aids in reply to Bryan, 10-25-2003 23:42:08  
"Compression in a Can" is just against my religion. I won't let anyone near my stuff with it. My tractor has a ether kit on it. The can was empty when I bought it, and still is.

The only reason I ever carried it in the big trucks was be able to bead up a tubeless tire in an emergency to get on to a tire shop. That I know, is dangerous in itself, but you sometimes do what you got to.

I advise all to stay away from ether. When an extra something is needed I've found WD-40 messier, but much gentler on the engine.

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Jonathan

10-26-2003 08:46:46




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 Re: ether starting aids in reply to Bryan, 10-25-2003 23:42:08  
I try never to use either on my tractors. I always plug them in because I like nice starting and running tractors. It's a well known fact that either shortens the life of an engine and engines will eventually become dependent upon a bump of either after awile. I'm a hobbyist, and mainly use my tractor for pushing snow in the winter, so if the weather is cold enough so the tractor doesn't want to start after beig plugged in for a couple hours, I don't wanna be out running the thing anyway!.

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marlowe

10-26-2003 07:08:22




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 Re: ether starting aids in reply to Bryan, 10-25-2003 23:42:08  
you can get them at most ind. dealers. it's all fine and dandy if you can plug stuff in in winter but that is not always a option when your on the job site and it's -20. i have run ind. eq. for 35 year and never had any trouble with ether just use your head when useing it and it will be just fine one thing tought i don't like the remote aids you never know how much you use i still like the can in hand

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jim

10-26-2003 06:24:14




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 Re: ether starting aids in reply to Bryan, 10-25-2003 23:42:08  
In my humble opinion, ether starting aids belong on the store shelf. A properly tuned engine with a good block heater will always start. Over the years, many engines have been badly damaged by overuse of ether.



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buickanddeere

10-26-2003 06:27:05




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 Re: Re: ether starting aids in reply to jim, 10-26-2003 06:24:14  
Ahmen. Ether is for use only when someone is going to die if an engine won't start. Unless of course engine life is of no concern.



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david

10-26-2003 04:56:19




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 Re: ether starting aids in reply to Bryan, 10-25-2003 23:42:08  
try to 'google' ether start kit.
also deere have kits for their equipment (tailor made)



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OTR

10-26-2003 09:53:30




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 Re: Re: ether starting aids in reply to david, 10-26-2003 04:56:19  
Large truck service centers and ag equip. dealers can probably help you. Have used ether at times for over 40 years on big-rigs and never experienced engine problems. -Like anything else, use some common sense with the dose.



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