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Allan

10-03-2003 07:59:19




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Hi Guys,

I called the implement dealer here yesterday wanting to buy a new loader.

Since I'm putting it on an old H, the dealer suggested that I just buy a good used Farmhand F-11 loader for $800 that he is going to be getting in on trade within the next two weeks. All I am going to use it for is to push snow this winter and do little 'odd' jobs.

Any reason why not? Any horror stories?

Allan

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Dieselrider

10-04-2003 05:09:59




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 Re: Why Not? in reply to Allan, 10-03-2003 07:59:19  
I'm not familiar with the H but if it doesn't have live pto wouldn't that be a problem if the loader runs off a seperate pto pump? Wouldn't the loader drop as soon as you push the clutch? How did they overcome that on these?



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evielboweviel

10-04-2003 06:17:27




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 Re: Re: Why Not? in reply to Dieselrider, 10-04-2003 05:09:59  
your a little confused.
very simply in generic terms, the pump pumps oil stored in a tank to a valve(s) then back to the tank. when a valve is operated then oil goes out to the cylinder and extends it out (ram cylinders) when the valve is released then the oil has no where to go and the ram stops at that position. when the valve is moved to the opposite position then the oil is allowed to return to the tank allowing the ram to retract.
the pump pumps oil stored in a tank to a valve(s) then back to the tank. when a valve is operated then oil goes out to the cylinder and extends it out (double acting cylinders) also oil is returned from the other side of the piston to the tank. when the valve is released then the oil has no where to go and the cylinder stops at that position. when the valve is moved to the opposite position then the oil goes out to the other side of the cylinder pushing the piston back in retracting the cylinder.oil is also allowed to return to the tank from the bottom side of the cylinder.

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RJ-AZ

10-03-2003 16:59:02




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 Re: Why Not? in reply to Allan, 10-03-2003 07:59:19  
That Farmhand F11 is a pretty good loader for an H. It's not as stout as some but for general work it'll work for you. The Farmhands I've used on those tractors used a PTO pump and seperate oil resevoir.



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Allan

10-03-2003 17:13:11




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 Re: Re: Why Not? in reply to RJ-AZ, 10-03-2003 16:59:02  
Are they as easy to re-seal as that old F-10 was? Wonder if a guy can still get seals?

Allan



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RJ-AZ

10-03-2003 18:07:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Why Not? in reply to Allan, 10-03-2003 17:13:11  
The F11 has double acting cylinders so the packings are going to be different. But it shouldn't be too hard to figure out. At least with an F11 you have down pressure. I am not real crazy about the bucket scoop on an F11 as compared to the others. We had an F10 on an H when I was a kid it went through two more tractors,Massey 44D and IH MTA before we retired it. The F10 rams were real easy to do if you had the bell mouth special tool. Shouldn't be any problem getting parts.

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rustyfarmall

10-03-2003 14:16:03




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 Re: Why Not? in reply to Allan, 10-03-2003 07:59:19  
I see no problem with the used loader, if you are willing to wait, and do some shopping around, you should be able to find one for even less.



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bill in colo

10-03-2003 18:02:22




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 Re: Re: Why Not? in reply to rustyfarmall, 10-03-2003 14:16:03  
There are still 100's of f11's in use here in the intermountian west area stacking hay' feeding and pushing snow, and the good ones will still bring 1200 to 2000. Make sure price include a pto pump.



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Allan

10-04-2003 07:19:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Why Not? in reply to bill in colo, 10-03-2003 18:02:22  
Hi Bill,

Yes, I see them all over the place. Getting someone to turn loose of 'em is the problem. Ha

At least, my dealer has one coming in on trade; he said he needed between $800 & $1000 depending how the dust settled on the other trade. (He used to be my neighbor before taking on this implement outfit) The last one I saw sell went for $1500.

Yep, I'll need the tank and pump.

You aren't Bill DeBour of Colorado are you?

Allan

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