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jim

09-14-2003 18:51:25




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Where might i find a propane reugulator(solenoid) that i could regulate propane at about 2-4 psi? thanks




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Shane

09-16-2003 16:07:20




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 Re: propane injection in reply to jim, 09-14-2003 18:51:25  
Currently on the market there are several companies that sell propane injection kits for diesel engines in pickups. They might be able to help with what ever you may need. I think one is called Bully Dog Performance. Might be able to find others with a quick look on the net.



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Farmered

09-16-2003 05:14:22




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 Re: propane injection in reply to jim, 09-14-2003 18:51:25  
Years ago I saw these propane units on 4020 JDs. they were put out by Borg-Warner. The tractors were owned by a JD dealer who did contract farming on the side. They were pulling 6 bottom semi-mounted plows in stubble ground (not sod).
Ed



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Don Wadge

09-15-2003 18:40:16




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 Re: propane injection in reply to jim, 09-14-2003 18:51:25  
These used to be called a 'Red Rooster'. At least that was one brand that was on the market. A propane carburetion company in Mankato, MN used to sell them in the early seventies.



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Jon H

09-15-2003 19:53:26




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 Re: Re: propane injection in reply to Don Wadge, 09-15-2003 18:40:16  
The Red Rooster propane injector uses a two stage regulator that requires a small vacuum signal to make it release propane from the second stage. They use a venturi in the engine air intake where intake air flow creates a vacuum perportional to air flow so they will not overfuel the engine. As the engine lugs down and air flow drops,the flow of propane is reduced. A properly adjusted Red Rooster will not overfuel and tear up an engine. I have used a RED Rooster on a 4020 for over 20 years with no problem. The crude injector systems that used a single stage regulator,or no regulator at all to deliver propane under pressure will overfuel a diesel engine to the point of detonation from too much propane and do serious damage.

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JMS/MN

09-14-2003 22:32:41




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 Re: propane injection in reply to jim, 09-14-2003 18:51:25  
Thirty some years ago there were folks who added a propane tank to some tractors to increase power while going through tough spots, up hills, etc. One could safely increase power by this method, but it was not designed for continuous use- it simply blew up the engine! If that is what you have in mind, the logical source of info would be your propane supplier, or dealer for your particular brand of tractor.

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Gene Davis(Ga.)

09-15-2003 17:56:05




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 Re: Re: propane injection in reply to JMS/MN, 09-14-2003 22:32:41  
There used to be a guy here that farmed with a 730ES John Deere 2 cyl Diesel with a propane booster on it, and when he hit a hard pull, he could push a button on the dash and it was like you suddenly gained 2 more cylinders!! It would truly walk the dog! Amazing boost for a short time. It is about like shooting a shot of Nitrous Oxide to a gas engine,then the help on the farm found out how good it worked and wasn't long before they blew the engine! Think I saw some info years ago where JD did some experimenting with propane booster kits. Gene Davis

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greenbeanman

09-14-2003 21:50:48




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 Re: propane injection in reply to jim, 09-14-2003 18:51:25  
Often the terminology varies from one area to another, to where a question that is asked leaves one scratching their head.

I used to run propane tractors and vehicles, and hauled for a dealer for a number of years.

It might help if we knew what the injection was to be used on.

Some terminology as I learned it.
The inlet side of a regulator is of one pressure, and the regulator lowers it to another pressure on the outlet side. This is done by sort of a needle like valve, that is operated by a diaphragm that has a spring behind it. The spring tension can be adjusted to FINE TUNE the outlet pressure. Those are the basics of a regulator.

A solenoid is an electrical device, and when used in LPG set-ups it operates a small plunger to stop/start the flow of fuel, NOT regulate it in any way.

On an engine set up, the solenoid shut off is on the high pressure liquid line, before the inlet to the regulator.

As to what regulator might work for you, a lot depends upon the capacity or amount of fuel you will need. Will this be used on a small air cooled engine, or a full sized tractor engine running at rated speed?

Just like a camper and a commercial building, different sizes of consumption call for different sizes of regulators.

The best I can offer is to have you contact a propane dealer, or a propane carburation manfacturing firm.

Sorry that I can't help more. There are diesel injection units made for tractors, if that is what you might be interested in.

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