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Mike in Md.

09-11-2003 13:56:16




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For all of you in northern climates. Time to add antifreeze or drain those cooling systems. Hate to see someones pride and joy freeze broke for lack of $15.00 worth of antifreeze.




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Trevor

09-11-2003 14:59:52




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 Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to Mike in Md., 09-11-2003 13:56:16  
Could never understand why anyone would run something with just water in the cooling system.

Antifreeze does more than stop freezing. It prevents rusting, it helps lubricate the water pump and raises the boiling point of the water.

In my opinion you should never run an engine with only water in the cooling system.



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Gary in MOOzarks

09-12-2003 19:55:17




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 Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to Trevor , 09-11-2003 14:59:52  
I think you are right, Back a few years, (many few) Buick had a really nice 215 cu in aluminum engine that they quit producing because people in the southwest and deep south would run water only in it and had major corrosion problems. it needed antifreeze.



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JDknut

09-12-2003 04:34:15




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 Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to Trevor , 09-11-2003 14:59:52  
It protects wet sleeves from pitting and electrolysis, too.



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markct

09-11-2003 20:03:45




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 Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to Trevor , 09-11-2003 14:59:52  
i dont believe it raises the boiling point of water, i am pretty sure that it is just the pressure held by the radiator cap that raises the boiling point, if ya notice in the adds for coolant when it says it wont boil till X number of degrees it says at 15 psi usualy



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john

09-12-2003 05:42:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to markct, 09-11-2003 20:03:45  
WANT TO PROVE TO YOURSELF THAT ANTIFREEZE RASIES THE BOILING POINT!!!!!
TAKE YOUR WIFE'S NEW CAR DRAIN RAD. AND FILL WITH ONLY WATER. IT WILL OVER HEAT!!!!
NEW CARS CAN NOT RUN WITHOUT ANTIFREEZE BECAUSE THE THERMOSTAT IS SET SO HIGH. DUE TO EMMISSIONS!



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John in SD

09-11-2003 21:03:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to markct, 09-11-2003 20:03:45  

Mark, I agree that anti-freeze doesn't raise the boiling point of water, but when you add anti-freeze TO the water, I think the boiling point of the coolant mixture as a whole is raised.

Something like 265 degrees with a 15 lb cap and a 70/30 max strength mixture sticks in my head. Who wants to run a tractor that hot anyway? If I think to look when I'm out in the shop I will read the back of an antifreeze jug to see the maximum boilover and freeze protection.

Actually I think I have read where a 30% antifreeze/70% water mixture provides adequate rust inhibitor/water pump lubrication and the best cooling, but the freeze point is 0F. A 50/50 mixture freeze point is -34F.

I don't think many older tractors run as much pressure in the cooling system as modern automobiles. I think my Fords and MF have 7 lb rad caps. My Case DC cooling systems are not pressurized at all.

I only use only distilled water in the coolant mixture in my engines and I try to add water pump lube/rust inhibitor at least once a season.

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I Like Case

09-11-2003 20:54:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to markct, 09-11-2003 20:03:45  
I diagree mark. It does raise the boiling point as well as a host of other benefits:)



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Sid

09-11-2003 19:37:31




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 Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to Trevor , 09-11-2003 14:59:52  
Trevor, I am not disagreeing with you but I got to thinking about what I read in my owners manual for WD Allis Chalmers tractor. I thought you might find it interesting to what was a good practice then compared to now. "Clean rain or soft water should be used in the cooling system when available. Hard or alkline water will form a scale wich will impair radiation if allowed to build up in the cooling system." After they tell how to drain the cooling system they print "CAUTION: In freezing weather be sure to drain both places. Loosen radiator cap to prevent system from air locking, which will retard draining. Stay near tractor and make sure system is completely drained. I remember doing this sometimes we would not use the tractor for several weeks or maybe a couple of months. If we used the tractor we would put water in it and go. Dad always made sure the tractor was drained when we finished. I know of a couple of older men who up until they sold their tractors two or three years ago would follow this practice, they would say "Boys thats what the book says to do and why put anti freeze in it ain't gona use it till next spring."

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Trevor

09-12-2003 05:29:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to Sid, 09-11-2003 19:37:31  
Sid, you are correct. My father wil tell you that they always drained the cooling sytems every night and in the morning they would fill the "Tractor Pot" with water and put it on the wood stove. Then they would take the hot water out and fill the tractor. Never needed a block heater, tractor always started (with the crank) and less harm for cold starts.

This all being said I think I will put in the 50/50 antfreeze mix and plug my block heater into a timer. LOL

Good comment and thanks for postin

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Ben in KY

09-11-2003 19:59:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to Sid, 09-11-2003 19:37:31  
Yeah, that is what the manual says. My manual says to thin my 30W oil with kerosene in the winter too. Ain't gonna do that ! I just use 10W-30W in the winter.



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Trevor

09-12-2003 05:34:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to Ben in KY, 09-11-2003 19:59:26  
Ben,

Sid was just making a comment and we should recognize that, he wasn't saying taht is what we should do. But I agree with you that some guys read the manual and think it's god's own word. They seem to forget that it isn't 1948 any more and lubricants, antifreezes and fuels have changed and improved.

If the engineers of that day were around today they would most definetly rewrite the manual and change a lot of the fluid recommendations. I'm with you I run 10W-30 in my old gas tractors and use anti freeze all year long.

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paul

09-11-2003 15:21:09




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 Re: Re: Cold weather is coming in reply to Trevor , 09-11-2003 14:59:52  
Yup. I suppose that's easy to say living in Minnesota tho.... ;) Can't hardly be without the antifreeze.

--->Paul



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