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What size round bale can I haul?

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OKRon

09-08-2003 19:43:39




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I have a 2N and a Ford 1710 (4WD). Can I get a 3-pt hitch bale spike for the 1710, and if so, can I haul a large (I think 6 ft diameter) round bale with it? If that won't work, how about a front mount spike? One of our neigbors bales our 40 acres, and when I only had the 2N I had to have him bring over bales to feed our horses in the winter. I'd like to just store some bales on our place and take them to the horses myself instead of "buying back" hay that was already here.

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Thanks for all the info -

09-10-2003 17:51:14




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
Thanks to all who responded. YTmag is a great place to visit on the web!



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thurlow

09-10-2003 08:38:16




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
Once baled about 100 5' x 6' bales for a neighbor; he had an early Ford 2000 (don't know how that compares with your 2N and 1710); he could pick the bales up with three-point hitch, but couldn't drive forward; moved all of them backing up..... .



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RayP(MI)

09-09-2003 15:36:19




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
Donno - but I saw a large round bale going down the road in the trunk of a mid-sized sedan the other day - They must have removed the trunk lid, and there probably wasn't much give left in those rear springs!



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Gary in Tx

09-09-2003 07:43:56




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
OKRon,
Using the current tractors you listed you are going to be way out gunned on handling bales of any good size safely. Possibly a small 800 pound bale would work??? You have the best suggestion of just getting a bale trailer listed below or else get a tractor that will be sized for what you need. Something such as a 165 massey or 3000 or 4000 Ford. I personally run all Deeres but one(Massey 135) and I have moved John Deere 530 bales with the 135 but it is a pretty good load on it. These tractors were not designed to handle that big a load on the 3pt., I'm not saying they won't do it but its not safe. you might run across a good Deere 3010 or 3020 as well. A 3010 would do the job nicely for ya. Formost and most important, be safe, if handled wrongly these big rolls can kill or severly injure.

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red-n-green

09-09-2003 17:55:56




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 Re: Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to Gary in Tx, 09-09-2003 07:43:56  
Just a comment on 3010 or 3020. I have a 3010D and when I roll 5X6 rolls of bermuda, these rolls will lift the front end off the ground. Thats even with a full 35 gallon fuel tank in the front of the tractor. But on the other hand I have moved alot of 4X5 and 5X5 rolls with a 430 Case which is only about 34hp. FWIW.

Jay



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Indydirtfarmer

09-10-2003 03:33:41




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 Re: Re: Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to red-n-green, 09-09-2003 17:55:56  
Tractors with cat.II 3 pt.hitches have longer lower lift arms, Bigger tractors with 34 and 38 in rear wheels have to have longer arms, in order to get the impliments out past the rear tires. This will give the wieght on the 3 pt. more leverage, making the front of the tractor lighter. Also, some bale forks, and spears, are made different than others. Some of them hook up "shorter" than others. This will place the bale a few inches farther to the rear. Sometimes, just an inch or two will make a big difference in how the tractor balances out. Case in point; I can put my 6' bush hog on my old Massey 50, and the front end stays glued to the ground. Put the same mower on my 2440 Deere, (That wieghs 1000lbs more) and it gets a bit light in the front, without adding a couple of front wieghts.

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Gary in TX

09-09-2003 20:22:20




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 Re: Re: Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to red-n-green, 09-09-2003 17:55:56  
I have a 3020 diesel that I have moved countless bales with and the only time I have ever had a rare up on the front end was if I was going too fast and hit a bump or dip in the field or going up hill. Is yours a narrow or wide front???



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red-n-green

09-10-2003 06:13:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to Gary in TX, 09-09-2003 20:22:20  
It's a wide front. But those rolls of bermuda that are 5X6 sometimes hit over 2000lbs.

Jay



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Gary in TX

09-10-2003 12:18:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What size round bale can I hau in reply to red-n-green, 09-10-2003 06:13:29  
Hay Jay,
I'd just cut the size of the bales down just a bit or let off on the pressure on the belts some.
I have my baler set to turn out around 5.5x5 bales and they work out pretty good for everyone concerned and its not really sacrificing too much on size. Also its easier on the equipment and parts are not cheap. I feel like I should get a wedding present everytime I go to the dealer to get parts the way the nail ya before ya leave.

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red-n-green

09-10-2003 20:52:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What size round bale can I in reply to Gary in TX, 09-10-2003 12:18:18  
I generally bale 5X5 bales, but I also have the density set really tight. Bermuda seems to hold together better and with less sagging of the bales this way. I really hate loading a trailer off the stack and having bales that look like eggs. I don't use the 3010 much though, I use a 105 hp MF with a loader and a spear on back to move my hay. I was just making a comment on how sometimes my 3010 was a little too small to handle some of my bales.

I know what ya mean about parts, spun rod bearing in that 3010 last year, wondered if it was even worth fixing!

Jay

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Gary in TX

09-12-2003 08:14:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What size round bale c in reply to red-n-green, 09-10-2003 20:52:11  
Hey Man,
I know what you mean. I hope my statements were not coming across as being sounding like a know it all. I do know what you mean about some bales being so heavy. I did some wheat hay a few years ago that the 3020 wouldn't even budge. There is a weight limit for sure.



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red-n-green

09-12-2003 15:56:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What size round ba in reply to Gary in TX, 09-12-2003 08:14:00  
No offence taken at all. One thing I have noticed about this site is the lack of bashing other peoples ideas and equipment. Everyone seems to be as helpful to each other as possible. Now on the other hand, if you want to get bashed or get something started, just go to agricultureonline.com and talk about JD's or CaseIH tractors being better than the other. Or better yet, get something going about politics. Some really missinformed folks over there.

Jay

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Gary in TX

09-12-2003 16:27:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What size roun in reply to red-n-green, 09-12-2003 15:56:15  
Hey thats cool. It is a super site and Kim and all those that put it together are doing a super job!!!! hats off to Kim! Opps sorry didn't mean to blind anyone :o). I am primarily a Deere driver but I do have a 135 massey and a B Farmall that I'm going to restore. I also want a H and M to restore as well. I'm kinda fond of all tractors, some more than others but if you cut me I'll bleed green. I had a chance to get a 656 Farmall last year for 3000.00 and just didn't have the funds to do it and the bank wouldn't even go on it. Just let me run across something like that now. I do have a 706LP found I can get for 2000.00 but I really want to stick with diesels. I have made many good email friends via this site and have got alot of good advice on here as well and hopefully have given some good advice as well. Better run,
Take care and have a super rest of the day and week and a bettter one next week!

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KX

09-09-2003 06:59:19




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
I agree with the below posts on the trailer type mover. I made one so I could use a tractor that doesn't have 3 pt. You can make one that has a hyd cylinder on it to lift the bale or a manual winch that you crank up by hand. That would be much easier on your small Ford tractor. It will keep your front end on the ground as well and I would think you could move any size bale 4x5, 5x6 4x6 whatever. Email and I will send you a pic of the hay mover I made if you like.

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OKRon

09-10-2003 17:47:54




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 Re: Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to KX, 09-09-2003 06:59:19  
Thanks KX. I would like to see the hay mover you made. Please e-mail a picture.

Ron



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JOHN

09-09-2003 06:34:24




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
I HAVE USED A NAA FOR ABOUT 5 YEARS TO FEED ACOUPLE BEEF. WORKS OK ON ABOUT 800LBS BALES.
THE HYD SYSTEM HAS TO BE KEPT IN GOOD SHAPE.
FRONT END GETS LIGHT, AND ADD SNOW AND ICE.
IT WORKS FOR ME BUT WOULD NOT TELL SOMEONE TO
BUY ONE TO USE IT FOR THAT ON REGULAR BASE. NOW THE 2N I THINK HAS A GEAR PUMP FOR HYD SYSTEM. I DONT THINK YOU COULD GET ONE OF THEM TO LIFT A 800LBS BALE WITH THE 3PT BALE SPIKE.

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buck

09-09-2003 05:57:42




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  

I am in about the same situation so like someone else mentioned I just asked the man doing the baleing if he could bale me smaller bales for my needs.



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Indydirtfarmer

09-09-2003 04:53:16




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
You can probably move a bale or two with that small of a tractor. I just wouldn't do it on a regular basis. I would consider a bale caddie. (Trailor). If you are like most of us, you would rather use your tractor, than work on it. Big bales are a load. The wieght of the bale is not all the "stress" you'll be putting the tractor through. Moving it across rough ground will subject the lift and other parts to loads that the 8N was just not intended to handle. It might pick it up, but moving it is another story. If you are going to move a bale every few weeks, you might gert away with it. Move them every day, and it's likely that you'll break something before long. My brother-in-law bales several hundred acres, and sells the hay. I have watched him trash several smaller tractors over the years. About 5 years ago, he bought a 4440 Deere, and hasn't had a problem since. The point is, you need something big enough to handle the wieght, EASILY. (And safely)

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Nebraska Cowman

09-09-2003 04:40:00




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
have you considered using a stone boat? Just a sled built out of planks; you could roll the bale onto the sled with a rope and drag it wherever.



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rustyfarmall

09-09-2003 04:15:39




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
You need to get a trailer type bale mover, they pop up at farm auctions every so often, or, if you are handy, build one. I have used these carriers with 8n fords, they work great.



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paul

09-08-2003 22:13:16




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
I bale 5x6 bales with my round baler. I generally move them with my 85 hp Ford 7700, but since I bale with that too, I was using the 150 hp tractor - that worked great, I had to have the duals off for cultivating this year anyhow, and with the big tractor & front weight box, that was joy to move bales.

I picked up 2 bales with my 1720. That was iffy, and I would not want to put that nice little tractor through that stress very often. The rear end & 3pt handled it but not by much, with a short top-link I could make the relief valve go. With a Ford loader on, I could barely steer the front end was so light. I would not try to pick those bales up with a front spike, I doubt it could. I use a rear pallet-fork type bale mover, not a spike, but same difference. My understanding is that a 1710 has weaker hyd than a 1720????? I think you would really stress that machine to try to depend on it to handle a lot of 5x6 bales - if it could do it at all.

I'm not qualified to say how a 2N would do, never sat on an N.

Can your neighbor make your round bales smaller, that would help a lot. Make them 5x5 or even 4x5.

--->Paul

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Ray,IN

09-08-2003 22:08:18




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 Re: What size round bale can I haul? in reply to OKRon, 09-08-2003 19:43:39  
The 1710 weighs near 2,500lbs., the 2N some less. A bale mover for the 3 PH will carry about 800 lb bales if the hyds are in good condition. A front loader will be much less. DISCLAIMER: "This is my opinion only and should not be relied on as fact." Hope that satisifies the lawyers below.



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