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Belt pulley and belt care

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Wayne M Kittler

09-01-2003 18:31:09




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I am preparing to put a belt and pulley on my Farmall H for cordsaw and feed grinding. Should I saddle soap the belt and use a sealer on the tire cord pulley ? If I use a 9.5 inch pulley, how do I set the proper rpm. What is the rpm for a cordwood saw and a feed mill ?




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Paul Janke

09-03-2003 16:54:38




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 Re: Belt pulley and belt care in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 09-01-2003 18:31:09  
Standard speed for belt drives is 3100 feet per minute. Most things will require no more than this, because the tractors shouldn't be capable of much more. I usually use spray on belt dressing because you can't find the old tubes you rub on the belt any more. An old fabric belt which is badly dried out can take half a can the first time or two. Seems like I've been told that straight anti-freeze is supposed to work well.

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Bret

09-03-2003 16:03:29




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 Re: Belt pulley and belt care in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 09-01-2003 18:31:09  
FWIW- if the belt is slipping and you can't get it tighter, try a dab of roofing tar on the pully. I'm talking a tablespoon maybe, put on the pully when it's NOT TURNING. A big thing is to watch the saw the first time you start it spinning. Stand way back and let it run for a couple of minutes. If anything is likley to spin to pieces, you'll want to be far, far away. Keep the saw sharp and properly jointed and set, and be careful. Still alot easier than bending over with a chainsaw.

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Keith Miller

09-03-2003 04:24:17




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 Re: Belt pulley and belt care in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 09-01-2003 18:31:09  
Linseed oil is one of the best treatments for old belts.



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ATW/WA

09-03-2003 00:36:56




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 Re: Belt pulley and belt care in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 09-01-2003 18:31:09  
Wayne, I can remember my dad running a feed mill(hammer mill) from the farmall side pulley. Wish I could help on rpm, but I cannot. What I do remember, is him putting a twist in the belt to run the hammer mill the correct direction with the tractor facing the feed throat of the mill. You sure have gotten a lo of help on this topic and every one of us skirtted the issue of saddle soap and pulley dressing. I remember my dad using either crankcase oil or molasses on the belt to dress it when it started to slip from hay/grain dust. His belt was not leather, but regular belting, unfortunately everything including the maching and lacing he used for lacing the belts were tossed a couple of years ago after he passed.

HTH ATW/WA

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Les...fortunate

09-02-2003 02:54:56




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 Re: Belt pulley and belt care in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 09-01-2003 18:31:09  
Wow, Rod. That's great. But, if it was me, I'd just start the thing up and run it...try it out. If it wasn't running too good at the speed I was at, I'd try another one, either higher or lower.



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Rod (NH)

09-02-2003 06:24:26




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 Re: Re: Belt pulley and belt care in reply to Les...fortunate, 09-02-2003 02:54:56  
Hi Les,

Ah, the trial and error method :o). Yes, it works if you are knowledgeable about where you want to be. But if you have never used a cordwood saw before, how do get that feel that it is not running as good as it should and you need to make some kind of change? Throttle changes are easy if you are reasonably close to begin with. However, if you don't have the driven pulley and are looking to get one, how big should it be? I suppose you could copy another installation that you know works well, but that's a little risky if the tractors are different. Trial and error works but it can be a frustrating and expensive experience sometimes. Better to know definitely that you are headed in the right direction. You are more likely to be satisfied that way. Must be the engineer in me talking.

Got that tractor running yet? Hope all is progressing well on that front.

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Les

09-02-2003 16:13:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Belt pulley and belt care in reply to Rod (NH), 09-02-2003 06:24:26  
That tractor is getting closer to running every day. Engine is all back together. I have the reamer in my work truck and hopefully will get down your way this week. Maybe even tomorrow but I have go to Grappone in Concord for some minor warranty work at 8:30.



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Trevor

09-02-2003 10:49:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Belt pulley and belt care in reply to Rod (NH), 09-02-2003 06:24:26  
Rod,

WOW, I know of only one other guy that would go through all those calculations to run a cord wood saw, and he too is an engineer. hahaha

Good eplanation though and it is handy to know formulas if it ever comes up.

I think I will stick with Les on this on though. Try it...if to slow speed up...if to fast slow down

I always read your posts, you have such good info.



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Rod (NH)

09-01-2003 22:40:02




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 Re: Belt pulley and belt care in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 09-01-2003 18:31:09  
Hi Wayne,

I don't know about the feed mill but perhaps I can help on the cordwood saw.

Circular saws cutting wood are best run between 6000 and 9000 surface feet per minute (sfpm). Don't ask where this comes from. I don't know. It's just been my understanding for a long time. Maybe Dad told me. Whatever.

The cordwood saw on my AC-B is run between 7000 and 8000 sfpm, depending on throttle position. I generally run it at half engine throttle when using the saw and that puts it up around 7700 sfpm. It has worked fine at that speed for many years.

You take the desired sfpm and divide by the saw circumference (in feet) to get saw rpm. e.g. [sfpm]/[saw diameter, ft x 3.14] = saw rpm. Given the saw rpm, multiply it by the ratio of the driven pulley diameter to that of the drive pulley (tractor belt pulley) to get the required speed of your belt pulley.

The following would be an example:

saw diameter = 30" = 2.5 ft
saw circumference = 2.5 x 3.14 = 7.85 ft
desired saw sfpm = 7000
desired saw rpm = 7000/7.85 = 892
belt (drive) pulley diameter = 9.5"
driven pulley diameter = 8" ratio of driven to drive pully diameters = 8/9.5 = 0.84
required belt pulley speed = 892 x 0.84 = 750 rpm

You will need to check your tractor belt pulley speed spec to see if the calculated speed is possible with a reasonable throttle position. If not, you may have to juggle the saw sfpm some or, more preferably, the driven pulley size to get a workable combination. Don't forget that your belt pulley speed spec is likely given at wide open engine throttle, a condition that you probably would not want to run at while sawing. I calculate my actual belt pulley speed using the stated spec from the manufacturer and determining what it would be at about half engine throttle. That puts the engine about halfway between idle and full throttle speeds and the belt pulley speed is reduced accordingly at that throttle setting.

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