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Moving up from H to M

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waynekittler

08-20-2003 07:40:10




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Can someone tell me the amount of advantage I would gain from moving up to an M from an H ? Would I gain more by going to a 560 or 656 and keeping the H ? Looking to do 4 row work ( 4 btm 16's with IH 411, 12' disk, 4 row IH56 planter.)




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STEVEN H

08-21-2003 09:00:21




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 Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to waynekittler, 08-20-2003 07:40:10  
the M will handle all that you listed except a 4-16. have a friend down in oklahoma pulls a 18ft disc with an M with out a problem, but has nicer soil and little to no hills. i would say that an 806 diesel will fit your needs nicely but so would a 706 diesel, dont go with the gasser's on them two, heck even a gasser 560 is to much of a fuel hog. the best tractor that i have run on gas, the farmall H oh i am sure there are others that are better. you might ask around yout nieghbor hood what a M will pull for a plow. you might find that they will take a 3-14 and if so i would say take an M than get a good sagnaw threepoint for it and get mounted plows for it. might see if you cant find a nieghbor with a mounted 3-16 to try with the M mounted plows dont pull as hard, and the three point hitch is more than worth the investment.

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green bean

08-20-2003 18:54:58




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 Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to waynekittler, 08-20-2003 07:40:10  
Ya know John Deere made a nice tractor called an 820 or 830, try one a dem



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Farmall Daddy

08-20-2003 17:49:20




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 Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to waynekittler, 08-20-2003 07:40:10  
You would have to do some configuring to an M for it to pull a 4 16. It would also depend what kind of ground you have, whether it is clay, or sandyish. The 560's were rated at a 5 bottom tops in the easiest pulling ground. I would say that the 560 would do all of the work. You may have to pull the torque a few times with the plow, but I would say it would handle it in my opinion. Best of luck with your selection.

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Paul in Mich

08-20-2003 17:31:55




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 Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to waynekittler, 08-20-2003 07:40:10  
An M will handle the planter, but struggle with the disc, and won't touch 4-16's in hardly any ground. A 560 or 656 will also be undersized for 4-16's but handle the other implements. You may consider downsizing to 3-16's and go with a 560 or 656, but you can upsize to a 706 or 756 for the same money or less than the others, and that will handle all your implements. Also by going diesel, you will cut your fuel costs considerably. The M is a wonderful old tractor, but it is just asking too much for it to do the job of the newer, bigger models. Hydraulics and live pto is another thing that will be worth the extra investment if you plan on working the tractor.

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WayneR

08-20-2003 16:51:46




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 Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to waynekittler, 08-20-2003 07:40:10  
When I was growing up we pulled a 3-16 plow with an M, but it was a load. Most used only a 3-14. We did pull 4-16 with a 706 with no problems. The 706 has a little more power than the 560 or 656, but is probably a little cheaper, and uses less fuel than the 806



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paul

08-20-2003 13:47:38




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 Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to waynekittler, 08-20-2003 07:40:10  
Did you mean 2-16 plow????? No way on a 4-16, even a hard pull for the bigger tractors you mentioned. I gave an 85 hp tractor a real workout with a 4-16, now I have 135 hp on a 4-18.

Planter would work fine with the H even, the disk would be fine on an M most of the time.

--->Paul



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49 Cubber!

08-20-2003 19:20:33




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 Re: Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to paul, 08-20-2003 13:47:38  
My M will pull 3 16s in third gear no problem.Of course the HPs are up a little from factory,LP head,4" pop top pistons,and 450 cam.



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dhermesc

08-20-2003 10:19:09




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 Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to waynekittler, 08-20-2003 07:40:10  
Well I got my case jumped on the Farmall Forum for saying this but, I would go with a 656 over an M anyday, the increase in power and options just doesn't make them comparable. The 560 is almost as good as a 656 and both give you live hydraulics and and live pto along with a GOOD PS steering set up. A 656 will pull everything you metioned above with ease, except the 4-16 plow. That will give it or a 560 a serious workout, if that is one requirement you do need to move up to a 8** size tractor. One thing to consider is that the 560s and 656s have all been worked hard for a number of years as first primary field tractors then as large utility tractors. One rarely sees one parked in a shed for just mowing. To get a good one (especially a 656) you'll pay for it.

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dhermesc

08-20-2003 11:09:35




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 Re: Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to dhermesc, 08-20-2003 10:19:09  
I guess I should add a M will pull the 56 planter or the 12' disk, but it will be a work out and your options arelimited in terms of loaders and other equipment. Given the current pricing in my area a good 560 can be had for almost the same price as a good M.



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earlschieb

08-20-2003 08:06:55




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 Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to waynekittler, 08-20-2003 07:40:10  
Well if you are wanting to pull 4-16s, you might want to consider an 806, the 560 will do it in most soil conditions, but I don`t think that the 656 will. As far as using an M to pull 4-16s, it will not do it, not as a stock tractor anyway. If it was me, I would go with an 806.



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waynekittler

08-20-2003 19:41:06




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 Re: Re: Moving up from H to M in reply to earlschieb, 08-20-2003 08:06:55  
Thank you everyone for this important advice and recommendations. I will look at the suggested IH tractors.



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