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Brian

08-10-2003 11:59:04




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Farm is set to come out of CRP. Thinking most likely will bale hay. Average year how much $ is produced from hay ground in the midwest?




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John A

08-10-2003 15:39:53




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 Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to Brian, 08-10-2003 11:59:04  
Brian, Be creative! Depending on when this land comes out of CRP shred of short. Then plant winter wheat or oats. Use a no-till drill to plant it. Then fertlize. Take in cattle on the gain, or cut a grain crop in the spring. Or cut a small grain hay crop. Then summer grass hay and the circle starts over again. You will need to plant +- 100/120 lbs / acre to graze. Check with local feed stores about need /want for grass hay. Contractors for erosion control hay that is used along the roadways.
Hope this helps!!
John A.

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Mike

08-10-2003 13:59:29




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 Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to Brian, 08-10-2003 11:59:04  
Time you figure equipment, maintenance, fuel,twine,fertilizer,your time etc.,your net will be less than what the CRP was paying.Look around in the Dakotas and Minnesota, there must be 5,000,000 round bales sitting around now.Unless you have cattle to run the hay through, it is cheaper to buy hay than try to make it yourself. This is assuming you are just going to bale range grass hay. Maybe if you set alfalfa, and bale small squares,and want to ship,you might build yourself a niche market,but otherwise I doubt if you will even cover expences.

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stan

08-10-2003 21:46:05




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 Re: Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to Mike, 08-10-2003 13:59:29  
Too bad you weren't a little closer to southern calif. Alfalfa is going for around 10.00 a bale 90 to 100 lbs



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Shane

08-11-2003 15:06:27




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 Re: Re: Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to stan, 08-10-2003 21:46:05  
$10 per 100# bale! If we get $3 or better we are doing fantastic. And who can handle 100# bales? We make 40#-60# around here. I think I would be a monster sized man if we put up 100# bales. It is work enough to put up 1000 bales in a day at 50#! Those must be some real men out there!



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Brian

08-10-2003 14:58:01




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 Re: Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to Mike, 08-10-2003 13:59:29  
So what do people do to make the bank payments?



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kyhayman

08-10-2003 18:53:50




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 Re: Re: Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to Brian, 08-10-2003 14:58:01  
Most of the land in the US is farmed by people other than the owners. I managed to pay for mine farming it but it hasn't been easy. The key was that I had a 'day job' to live off of. That and lots of careful marketing.

In my experience being adaptable is the key to the hay business. In the early 80's when I started farming (I was in high school) I did custom work. Made real money rolling hay. Now I only sell rolled hay to a few regular customers. Best I can get for an outside stored roll is $15. Inside for $30. It costs me that to make it. In fact I could buy rolls cheaper. Difference is I am in the "square bale business" and sometimes the weatherman lies. Squares have been good to me. I put up 10,000 a year or so. My gross in a temperate area is $400-$500 per acre (4-5 tons at $100/ton FOB). Net is about a 1/3 of that. It is capital intensive. Takes everything a stand makes the first 2 years to cover the establishment cost and harvest cost. I'm putting 20 acres back to alfalfa after 8 years. Figure it will cost $150 an acre and by the time I rotate out a year and only get 2 cuttings the next year it will be 5 years before that field makes any money.

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firedog

08-10-2003 17:51:43




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 Re: Re: Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to Brian, 08-10-2003 14:58:01  
Welcome to Farming ! People been trying for years to figure out that very thing ! Ha ! Ha !
Everything always sounds easy until it's your turn. Some folks who don't live on the land usually just sell to the lawyer who offers to take it off their hands. I don't mean to sound harsh or critical, just offering one view of reality.
Good Luck,
firedog



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Dave_Id

08-10-2003 15:13:42




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 Re: Re: Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to Brian, 08-10-2003 14:58:01  
Put their land on CRP and buy foreign food



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What is

08-10-2003 18:12:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to Dave_Id, 08-10-2003 15:13:42  
a CRP??



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Js

08-11-2003 15:06:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to What is, 08-10-2003 18:12:10  
Conservation reserve program, INTENDED to take marginal productive land out of production and returning it to native species. i.e in the great plains area, out of wheat and into native paraie (indian grass, blue stems, ect...)



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Butt.....

08-11-2003 15:08:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to Js, 08-11-2003 15:06:14  
Butt you got some people who are putting useless land into it and gettin paid to do it, totally the opposite of what was intended! Welcome to the American Government at its best. Shane



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CANT REPAIR POLITICIANS

08-10-2003 21:28:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: farm coming out of CRP in reply to What is, 08-10-2003 18:12:10  
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