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07-21-2003 10:16:18




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Hello.

I have a question for all the Diesel tractor experts out there.

Are there any tractors (new or used) designed around the original concept of the Diesel engine being able to burn just about *any* fuel?

In 1900 Dr. Diesel demonstrated his engine running on peanut oil, without needing any modification. It was designed to handle heavy fuels.

This ability would offer the small scale farmer the ability to "grow" his on fuel.

Many thanks.

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JDknut

07-24-2003 04:29:06




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 Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Guest, 07-21-2003 10:16:18  
Any diesel will run on straight vegetable oil if the oil is heated to at least 180 degrees F. Otherwise the oil can be treated in a process that can be done at home to make it thinner so that it can be burned without heating. This thinner oil can be burned by itself, or in a blend with petroleum diesel. I think this country needs to make a more serious effort to make and burn this vegetable-derived diesel fuel. Lessen our dependence on the Arabs and at the same time, much better for the environment. just my $0.02.

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paul

07-23-2003 16:10:10




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 Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Guest, 07-21-2003 10:16:18  
Seems it is easier to refine all oils to meet a diesel standard, rather than build a sloppy slow engine with difficult starting properties that will run on all sorts of stuff.....

Minnesota passed a law that will phase in biodiesel as soon as a few conditions are met (refining capacity for soy-oil, etc.) with a 2% blend, soon to go to 5%. A lot of farmers are already ordering it here in MN, from their coops. There is some question about Jelling in a cold winter, but otherwise it works fine. Soybean promoters (if you sell soybeans, you've paid a promotion fee to them) have done millions of miles on soy oil - both blends & straight. It will be as common as ethanol in a few years - 99% of the pimps in Minnesota are a blen of gas & ethanol now.

--->Paul

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tell us more about them p

07-23-2003 18:37:30




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 Re: Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to paul, 07-23-2003 16:10:10  

whats them pimps use??



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paul

07-23-2003 22:06:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to tell us more about them p, 07-23-2003 18:37:30  
You think the connection between my brain & fingers is bad, you should hear the poor connection between my brain & mouth sometimes! ;) Oy!

--->Paul



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26RED

07-23-2003 10:33:12




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 Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Guest, 07-21-2003 10:16:18  
Check out this website and book which covers diesel engines running on veggie oil with good results.

Link



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Dan

07-22-2003 16:10:38




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 Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Guest, 07-21-2003 10:16:18  
From time to time you will see magazine articles about this sort of thing. I recall one a few years ago about a guy who was driving an old diesel Mercedes using oil from deep fryers at fast food joints. It supposedly worked fine but the exhaust smelled like french fries (hey, don't blame me, that's what the article said!)



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Delbert

07-22-2003 17:39:44




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 Re: Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Dan, 07-22-2003 16:10:38  
Hey Dan come about noon the smell of french fries wouldn,t be all that bad unless you couldn,t leave to go to lunch. Throw in burger and drink just think you might have something going. Million dollar idea.



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Bernhard

07-22-2003 10:32:08




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 Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Guest, 07-21-2003 10:16:18  
Take a look in the net by searching: "Elsbett Motor" or "Elsbett-Engines".

Bernhard, Derichsweiler, Germany



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Stan

07-21-2003 17:51:47




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 Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Guest, 07-21-2003 10:16:18  
Theoretically a diesel will burn many of the light oils, but cost is the major stumbling block. A farmer could grow his own soybeans and refine them into fuel oil, but the cost of refining would be prohibitive. Right now, even at cabal prices oil is cheaper. Research will change that. During WWII Europeans used many alternative fuels, like coal oil, or methane gas derived from walnut hulls. Cost wasn't a consideration, there was no other fuel available.

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`VaTom

07-21-2003 17:48:14




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 Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Guest, 07-21-2003 10:16:18  
My tractors require standard diesel but ex-army trucks like my deuce and a half were designed to burn almost anything you put in the tank. Biodiesel, with minor tractor modifications, is the answer you are apparently looking for go:



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Deas Plant.

07-21-2003 11:37:46




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 Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Guest, 07-21-2003 10:16:18  
Hi, Guest. To the best of my knowledge, which is NOT encyclopedic, there are NO manufacturers making tractors these days to run on anything much except refined diesel fuels.

Back in the 'good ol' days', there were several, among them Lanz of Germany, who boasted that their engines would run on crude oil. However, most were heavy, slow-revving single-cylinder engines and many required some form of external pre-heating, as in with a blow-torch or similar, to get them running.

In their earlier days, even Caterpillar engines were designed to run on lower-grade fuels such as #2 burner oil or similar. Unfortunately, technology has progressed along lines more or less dictated by the major oil companies, for their benefit rather than the consumer's.

Hope this helps.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Ed

07-24-2003 05:59:08




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 Re: Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Deas Plant., 07-21-2003 11:37:46  
#2 fuel oil is not far off of # 2 Diesel.

A lot of oil companies don't even sell #2 oil any more and substitute # 2 dyed diesel for home heating use.

#2 burner oil in the summer will work fine in a diesel tractor but might gel in the winter.

Your probably thinking about #6 fuel oil or what I call bunker oil. That is real thick approaching crude oil.

In England their is a run on vegtable oil for use in cars. Not sure what the long term effects are but seems to work fine as a blend if you like the french fry smell.

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Chas in Tn.

07-21-2003 11:19:08




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 Re: Diesel Tractor Question in reply to Guest, 07-21-2003 10:16:18  
There are blends being used today. Bio-diesel to be more exact. Lots of research being done, but it comes and goes as oil prices do. Yes, I think it would nice to tell the Middle East to grow your own oil in that sand, with no rain!



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