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Basic oil pump question-please help me first time

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Trying to learn

06-27-2003 08:11:20




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Maintain my tractors well and only have to do tuning and medium mechanical stuff. Have not yet torn apart a motor.

A problem has arisen for me...

My wife's restored by someone else 69 Mustang Coupe black on black has been knocking for six months - now she tells me!

Took it to the mechanic and he said the oil pump suction tube got screwed up and she has been running it with little or no oil pressure for some time. He fixed it and sent her home with it but said I should totally rebuild it - it is really damaged.

Here's my question: What parts/locations of the motor does the oil pump lubricate? Please list them for me. Where on the engine do you test for oil pressure and how is it done? It is the 302 v8 block. What damage should I be looking for specifically?

I would like to learn so I can install pressure gauges on my tractors as a precaution as well.

Thanks alot, I need to learn more about this.

Mark

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Revredneck

06-27-2003 10:46:15




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 Re: Basic oil pump question-please help me first t in reply to Trying to learn, 06-27-2003 08:11:20  
Trying,
In order to tap into the oil pressure passage on the 302, look for the oil pressure switch screwed into the block near the oil filter. You remove the switch and screw in the fitting for the guage, or install a "t" fitting so that both the guage and the light will work. Every moving part inside that engine needs the oil pump to function, so adequate pressure is critical. The fact that it still runs probably means that you can get by with repairing/replacing the crankshaft and bearings. Be sure to have a good look at the cam lobes and lifters while you're in there. By the way, how was the oil pickup tube messed up? That engine was known for pieces of valve seals breaking off and plugging the oil screen. You may need to check your valve seals, too.
As far as your tractor goes, it should already have a guage installed, but if not, just find the oil filter, and a port should should be pretty close by for you to tap in to it. Good Luck and God Bless, Tommy

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Paul Janke

06-27-2003 21:50:18




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 Re: Re: Basic oil pump question-please help me fir in reply to Revredneck, 06-27-2003 10:46:15  
We had a Ford pickup with a 360 that always had rattling lifters. After we used it for years and sold it, the new owner tore into it and found out that the pressure relief had fallen out of the oil pump, so it had been running with nearly no oil pressure for years. We used it for pulling a gooseneck trailer and all sorts of other hard as it can pull work for years, never did give trouble. Just always rattled. Engine showed no ill effects when it was torn apart.

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David

06-27-2003 09:02:09




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 Re: Basic oil pump question-please help me first t in reply to Trying to learn, 06-27-2003 08:11:20  
Main function of oil pump is to supply pressurised oil to crankshaft bearings and cam shaft bearings. Depending on engine it may also supply other bearing surfaces like timing gear bearings too. Potentially anything that rotates could be damaged if the pump isn't working right. However, its pretty unlikely that everything is actually damaged. Heavy knocking usually means there is wear on the big end bearings. Dull rumbling indicates wear on crankshaft main bearings.

If the engine really is damaged it sounds like you'd be looking at getting the crankshaft ground and new bearing shells fitted to both main bearings and big ends as a minimum. Other bits may not have suffered damage. Noise is a good clue but you really can only be certain by stripping it down and checking things them by visual examination and possibly measurement of wear.

Oil pressure gauges are fine for telling how well the lubrication system is working but the driver does have to look at them and interpret what they see. An oil pressure warning light can be a more readily noticed indication of a problem. i.e. If it comes on, it means you need to stop the engine. You also notice it coming on where you don't always notice what a gauge is doing.

Neither gauges nor warning lights are designed to warn of low oil level. Checking oil level manually or by a fancy electronic sensor is still needed. (Actually they will tell you when oil level is gets so low that pump isn't picking up any oil but by that time you may already have done the damage. )

Oil pressure gauge or warning light switch screws into a tapping in the main oil gallery on the side of the block. I'm not familiar with your engine so can't say exactly where. By putting a T piece into the tapping you can fit both a light and gauge together.

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Bill in TN

06-27-2003 11:48:31




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 Re: Re: Basic oil pump question-please help me fir in reply to David, 06-27-2003 09:02:09  
Get one of the doctor type stethoscopes. Harbor Frieght has them for 4 dollars. Listen around on the engine and you might get a general idea where the knock is coming from. Might be something as simple as adjusting the valves, could be a lifter, and it gets worse from there. Worst case, a Main bearing or rod bearing. You didn't say the engine was missing, so probably not a valve spring or stuck valve. I've had alternator and water pump bearings that knocked as well. Good luck!

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