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Water in hydralic fluid

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ron corkum

06-24-2003 13:36:33




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Does anyone have a magic formula for removing water from hydralic fluid already in the tractor short of draining the whole system and adding new clean fluid?




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Vern-MI

06-25-2003 09:50:54




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 Re: water in hydralic fluid in reply to ron corkum, 06-24-2003 13:36:33  
Some of the ways top remove water from oil:
First, use a coalescing filter from places like Pall and Velcon Filter companies to trap water that is in the oil in an offline filter media which absorbs water. This is expensive.
Second, Vacuum Distillation to remove the oil by first heating the oil and then subjecting it to a vacuum to evacuate the vaporized water. also expensive. Third, like T_Bone said is by stratification although some emulsions are resistant to stratification. The first two are very expensive so the best idea is to drain off the excess water, run for awhile, drain any additional water and all of the oil and then replace the oil with new.

One way to test for water in oil is to take a sample of the oil which to the naked eye has no water contaminant in it and put it in a container over an open flame. THIS IS NOT RECOMMENDED. Professional laboratories bring the temperature up over 212 degrees Fahrenheit and watch for water being vaporized from the oil. This is very dangerous and is not recommended for amateurs and should only be done in an open flameproof / explosion proof area, or separate building away from other non-hazardous areas and people, and with everyone being a safe distance away from the container. The operator should be dressed in a fireproof suit and fire fighting equipment should be at the ready. Once the water vaporization temperature is reached all HE double L will break loose and the steam will cause a violent reaction in the oil. This is not recommended for amateurs and if you have ever seen it done you will have a lot of respect for the danger of water in oil in a high temperature system or those above 212 degrees Fahrenheit. Water in automotive automatic transmissions will boil and cause the oil to be burped out of the fill tube onto everything under the hood. Then a fire will ensue.

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T_Bone

06-24-2003 23:47:38




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 Re: water in hydralic fluid in reply to ron corkum, 06-24-2003 13:36:33  
Hi Ron,

I drained mine into 5gal buckets and covered them for a year, then went back and ran the oil thru a strainer into clean containers.

I was shocked to see how clean the oil was, just like new. I recovered about 4.5gal from every container.

For my backhoe/loader that gets used 12 times year it works for me.

T_Bone



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Ben in KY

06-25-2003 09:12:24




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 Re: Re: water in hydralic fluid in reply to T_Bone, 06-24-2003 23:47:38  
What type of strainer did you use ?



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T_Bone

06-26-2003 07:15:59




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 Re: Re: Re: water in hydralic fluid in reply to Ben in KY, 06-25-2003 09:12:24  
Hi Ben,

I first tried a coffee filter and it filtered to good as it was slow. After about a gallon I didn't see anything that would hurt in the filter so I switched to like a cheese cloth type rag.

Flitered the oil much faster and didn't get too much junk. As I said after sitting for along time the oil was very clean. Now the bottom of the pail was terrible as it had water, metal shavings, chucks of old gasket, etc; I stopped at about 4.5gal and thru away the rest out as there wasn't much oil but alot of trash.

T_Bone

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Bishop

06-25-2003 09:17:35




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 Re: Re: Re: water in hydralic fluid in reply to Ben in KY, 06-25-2003 09:12:24  
my ford wizard mechanic has said that a can of "heat" will remove the water from the fluid just as it does in gas.


He works for NH ford dealer and all the "oldies" in this area and I trust him on all four of my oldies



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paul

06-26-2003 05:21:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: water in hydralic fluid in reply to Bishop, 06-25-2003 09:17:35  
Here's the problem:

Heat will mix gas & water, so as you burn off the gas, the tiny bits of water passes through the engine & out the exhaust as water vapor - instead of stratifying in the fuel system & causing problems with a big bubble of water.

In the hyd system, the Heat might mix the water into tiny bits, but where do the water particles go????? ?

--->Paul



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wdTom

06-24-2003 17:27:40




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 Re: water in hydralic fluid in reply to ron corkum, 06-24-2003 13:36:33  
The question is where did the water get in? You need to figure out and fix it so it doesn't happen again. I know that tractors can stand being outside, but they are better off under cover especially if you aren't going to use it for a while or often.



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here, try this

06-24-2003 16:24:55




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 Re: water in hydralic fluid in reply to ron corkum, 06-24-2003 13:36:33  
if the oil is milky DRAIN IT NOW. otherwise do as has been said and drain water off the bottom, run the tractor some and drain again. If this is a tractor that you intend to use and don't want to ruin right away go ahead and put new oil in it soon. Watch for more water accumulation.



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paul

06-24-2003 15:51:55




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 Re: water in hydralic fluid in reply to ron corkum, 06-24-2003 13:36:33  
You can get the bulk of the water by draining the bottom out as suggested; but water is trapped in the bottom of every cylinder, compartment, gear, hose, etc. To do a real job, you'll probably be draining a couple times with new fluid. Sorry.

--->Paul



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Bigdog

06-24-2003 15:37:59




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 Re: water in hydralic fluid in reply to ron corkum, 06-24-2003 13:36:33  
The water will be on the bottom. When you first open the drain plug, the water will come out first. You can let it drain until oil starts to come out. OR, you can do it right and drain and replace the fluid.



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