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Visited Case backhoe guy tonight

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Lynn Kasdorf -

06-17-2003 20:18:13




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I just visited a local fellow who is selling some case backhoes. Very interesting guy. He's been working with machinery like this most of his life.

He has 3 580b backhoes. His needs are shrinking so he needs to sell 2 of them. Two of them he has restored completely. He had them all apart, repainted, new pins and bushings where required. I'm generally wary of a shiny coat of paint hiding a multitude of sins, but in this case (no pun) I feel that he was preparing the machien sfor sale, had them all apart, and decided he may as well repaint them while apart. I'm sure I'd do the same. he did a good job of it too. They look like new machines.

Machine 1 has a 4 in 1 bucket and an extendahoe. The hour meter reads 9100 hours, but he doesn't know if it is accurate (it may be more!). He has rebuilt the engine and torque converter. The bucket has had its cutting edges replaced a few times (by him). I didn't see any structural weld repairs on the arms.

The only hydraulic leakage I saw was a little around the horizontal pivot of the hoe. Not serious- no dripping that I saw, just some grunge around the area. I wonder if the extra weight of the 4 in 1 and the extendahoe are a bad idea on a 580b?

Machine 2 is a bit newer- he said the newest of the 3 machines. 4100 hours on the meter. Cutting edge on bucket looked original and in good shape. No leakage anywhere, but he thinks the left steering ram may be nearing a leak. He said this machine is very tight. It looks as though it has had relatively gentle use.

His inital price for either is 12,500, which is way out of line, from what I have seen. I pointed out to him that I've seen several ads for B's between 7500 and 9000. I may be able to talk him into a figure like this.

Buying from this guy would have a great advantage of free delivery, and he offered to help me learn how to run it, and show me tips on using and maintenance.

The B model has an appeal because of its relative simplicity- mechanical linkages instead of switches and solenoids. However I have gotten opinions that any model case AFTER a B would be more desirable, because they made a major redesign that fixed some shortcomings.

So- if I want a 580B, I'll not find a better one, or person to buy from. And the 4 in 1 bucket is appealing for the variety of its uses. I need the machine for personal use around the farm, and variety is very appealing.

The question is, do I hold out for a 580C or later, or a Ford or a Deere. He has been trying to sell these for a few months, so the market for B's must be pretty soft.

Thanks for all the input on my many posts on this subject!

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rod

06-18-2003 13:57:14




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 Re: visited Case backhoe guy tonight in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg V, 06-17-2003 20:18:13  
you say you are only using it for personal use so these machines which were meant for commercial use should last a long time with proper care you can get a cheap machine for 3000 to 5000 then sink 5000 into it very quickly better to get a good one and get your feet wet unless you are a diesel mechanic the shop manuals are 800 to 900 pages that should give you an idea of the complexity of the backhoe if you spend 10000 as you say and use it a few years you can likely recover all or most of your cost if machine is in good condition also you are getting free delivery and instructions on use that should be worth the extra as improper use is number one cause of breakdowns.
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rod

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Ray

06-18-2003 05:40:12




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 Re: visited Case backhoe guy tonight in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg V, 06-17-2003 20:18:13  
I just bought one from a local contracter that
sounds like about the same deal.He had rebuilt
everything planning on keeping it when his boy
went in business with him they leased a new one.
It had 5000 hours,I gave $8000.I see 580E models
for around $12000 with 4000 to 5000 hours.At a local estate auction a 580 B with only 2500 original hours brought $10500.I've seen some
580B models on construction sales for $3000 to
$5000,that ran good showing 5000 hours.

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Jim

06-18-2003 03:52:30




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 Re: visited Case backhoe guy tonight in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg V, 06-17-2003 20:18:13  
this is a problem i see on the form a lot. someone wants a real good machine, but want it real cheap. The man took is all apart and rebuilt everything and put a lot of money and time into this hoe and now he shouldn't be paid for it. I go to a lot of auctions and 580B's in average shape ,leaking and all still bring $7500. You think you should get a rebuilt one for that, I don't think so. That is why a lot of guys won't fix up a machine before resale, it isn't worth it with all the cheapies out there. Lynn, go buy a $5000 piece of junk and spend the rest of your life fixing it and then you will be happy

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Lynn Kasdorf- Leesburg, V

06-18-2003 08:52:09




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 Re: Re: visited Case backhoe guy tonight in reply to Jim, 06-18-2003 03:52:30  
...no need to get snippy!

I'm not out to low-ball this guy- for me it is a question of whether I should buy a model B at all. Like I said in my post- if I want a B, I won't find a better machine or a better seller.

Still- I think 12500 for a B in perfect condition is too much. I think 10k is about the top.

I just have concerns about whether the later models (C and later) are inherently more reliable. Is it better to buy an older one that's been gone over, or a newer model that is probably a more reliable design?

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Skinner

06-18-2003 03:17:41




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 Re: visited Case backhoe guy tonight in reply to Lynn Kasdorf - Leesburg V, 06-17-2003 20:18:13  
Most common I see around here are 580D 's. Not knowing how old they are, they normally sell from 7500 to 9000 here as well. If you take your time, you can buy a decent machine for that price range. I'm near Houston, TX



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