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A Willys Jeep with a PTO?

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Farmer in the D

05-30-2003 06:23:50




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Today when looking around one of my local tractor yards, I spotted a Willys Jeep. Nothing special and a real project. I was surprised when looking at the back there was a PTO. It appears to be factory installed since there is a separate lever on the floor for it. Either that or it was a very well done modification. Does anyone have knowledge of these options on the Jeeps (if it is an option)? Is there any data on these as far as HP? I would imagine that would be dependant on the engine of course and would like to see one of these under the 8 cyl conversion. I know a 350 cid works well in these with the right conversion kit. Thanks

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Barry Thomas

06-27-2003 11:52:15




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
Sorry to come in on this so late, but was searching on information on a Jeep belt pulley and found this exchange. Check out our site at www.farmjeep.com for lots of information. I owned an 8N, but had to trade up at the time for '64 4000 so I could bale hay. Like the N, Jeeps are the perfect "tractor" for some jobs.

Hope you bought the Jeep!
Barry



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Bob

06-01-2003 10:14:12




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
My neighbor just showed up with a jeep that floats. It has a boat around it. It looks WW2. light tan color. I bet the PTO on it runs the little prop that is under it. Oh ya it is smaller then my Ranger pickup. It runs good, and he never keeps anything very long, so how deep should I get into it when he gets tired of it. (He has not put it in the water yet.)



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Dan

05-31-2003 19:13:22




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
A friend had one back in the 70's, we tried to use it in the hayfields pulling a crimper and the hay rake. It was a pain in the neck to try to keep an even speed with the foot throttle and it didn't have enough gears (compared to a tractor) to find the right combination of ground speed and pto speed. Also, it sat too low to the ground for hay operations. After fighting it for two days we gave up, it was more bother than it was worth. It had the PTO but didn't have the 3 point hitch.

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janation1

05-30-2003 22:02:51




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
Dad bought the 5th Jeep delivered in Western CO in Oct 1945. It had 3 on the column. He equipped it with the 3 point hitch, the power takeoff and a post hole auger. We (I was 8 at the time) built several miles of fence in the Ragged Mt area near Paonia during the summers when work was slow in the coal mines. He also had a two way plow and a hay rake.



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DaveJWI

05-30-2003 21:46:56




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
A little off the subject, but you could get a PTO on Dodge and Ford trucks also. The NP435 4-speed transmissions in these trucks came with a cover plate that covered the hole in the side of the tranny where the PTO gearbox could be bolted on. I have never seen it, but a person told me about a farmer he knew who had a couple Ford pickups that he used for pulling self unloading wagons and unloading them with the PTO.

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VaTom

05-31-2003 05:24:24




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 Re: Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to DaveJWI, 05-30-2003 21:46:56  
Yeah Dave,

My '69 Kaiser "pickup" has drive shafts running fore and aft off the PTO. Then, in addition, I have live power available off both front and back differentials.

A local guy took one look and started planning on how to make hay with one. Pretty big turning radius, but a whole lot cheaper than a tractor, not to mention road worthy. And with 10 wheel drive, difficult (but not impossible) to get stuck.

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Dave 2N

05-30-2003 19:32:41




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
Yes-you could get a pto. My wife has a 53 CJ3A with pto.

You could get them with a 3 pt. hitch, too.

Back in the 60's, my uncle had a surplus WWII Jeep made by Ford. It was the handiest thing there ever was for light work and odd jobs and also for just plain fun. When both of the tractors were tied up, we would wiren gutter over the front and rear drive shafts (to keep hay from wrapping up in them) and rake hayh it.

Take Tom's advice below-grab it and don't look back.

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Jason

05-30-2003 18:34:00




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
My grandfather had one of these that he used for splitting wood. I never saw him use the PTO on it though. He had one of those cone style wood splitters that bolt up to the rear hub when you take the tire off. He had the back-end jacked up and it sat like that for years. I can remember helping split wood with that thing quite often, although I was too young to do it myself. We started her up, put it in gear and used a stick to keep the accelerator pedal down. I can remember one time we were splitting wood and the darndest thing happened. A log got stuck on the splitter and swung around such that it hit the ground and popped the jeep right of the jack stands. The jeep got about five feet with that wooden tire before we could hit the kill switch. My grandfather passed away two years ago and it was sold at the estate auction. After reading these posts I am really wishing I grabbed a hold of it. It ran great but the body was very poor. Sold for $650 I think.

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Paul Janke

05-30-2003 17:45:45




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
We had a 1965 or 1966 CJ5 Jeep with a PTO on the back. It was 540 RPM in first gear with the 3-speed transmission. We used it through most of one winter to run the grinder-mixer when we had tractor troubles. I think it did about the same as a 40 HP tractor with the factory 4 cylinder. Running full throttle at a standstill it ran plenty warm but not overheating during the winter. I think it started to have heating problems when it got up into the 50's that spring.

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D_B

05-30-2003 12:58:01




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
Not a tractor?? Maybe not but the old Jeeps were quite unique. As indicated, available optional equipment was almost legion: belt pulleys, front windless, cyclebar mowers, etc, etc, etc, . Willys really tried to promote them as a tractor “alternate”. I have an owners manual for the 1948 CJ2A & it is loaded with charts & data for such things as fuel consumption, torque & horsepower curves, drawbar pull/speed, power take off & pulley data, again etc, etc, etc. Even has instructions on how to plow a field with 2-12s or 14s.
I remember an older, retired farmer some 50+ years ago had one as his “toy”. Used it to help where he could as in disking, harrowing, hauling hay, also etc.! His best use for it was to run the 5 miles or so to town for parts, supplies and the daily ‘barley pops’. BTW- The old "Go Devel" 4 banger produced 105ftlb torque @ 2000rpm, 60hp @ 3600rpm.

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MPK

05-30-2003 12:15:39




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
Yes, they did make a factory PTO for the Jeep. I remember one guy that even plowed with one. My Dad had a 49 Jeep pickup that had a provision on the rear frame for a PTO.



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Craig

05-30-2003 12:58:06




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 Re: Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to MPK, 05-30-2003 12:15:39  
I had cj2a when I was a senior in high school. It had the pto in it. Another fella down the street had one too. He put a Chevy 283 in his--it sure could move out--busted alot of u-joints though.



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VaTom

05-30-2003 11:23:14




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
Hey Farmer,

I didn't know these things generated so much interest. My machinist (retired) has 2 or 3 of them, maybe more. He cuts his grass, has a boom pole one one, no telling what else. As a farm vehicle, I'd agree it's better than nothing, but certainly no tractor. If any of you drooling guys are interested in coming to central Va., I can see if Carl has surplus. He's acquired tracked tractors lately that are much more interesting to him. These were all tools, not restoration projects.

Along the same lines, I gave away a Jeep pickup that looked a little like the old VW van pickups, only a lot smaller. Bed was around 3' x 6'. Engine between the two seats. Wasn't running and I didn't figure I wanted to put the time into it. But at least it was cute. Eye of the beholder, I guess.

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RayP(MI)

05-30-2003 14:20:31




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 Re: Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to VaTom, 05-30-2003 11:23:14  
My old Chevy dealer (now closed) had one of those cab/over/engine jeeps. He had a snowplow on his and it did an excellent job of plowing out amongst the cars in the lot. Couldn't beat the visibility! Sure wish I know where he sold that one....



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Tom

05-30-2003 10:42:37




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
1. Get it
2. Restore it
3. Don't ruin it with engine conversion



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bill

05-30-2003 10:15:57




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
Unimogs still come this way and I saw on TV where
at one time so did Land Rovers.



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Brian in Ohio

05-30-2003 10:00:11




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
There is a listing in CH Wendel's book on Nebraska Tractor Tests for the Willys Jeep, and i think it was equipped with a PTO. I have seen a few of them, and a collector in this area has one.

My suggestion, DO NOT LET IT GET AWAY!! I don' think there were many produced with the PTO, therefore making it quite collectable. If you don't buy it, email me the information, and I will!



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steve

05-30-2003 09:56:32




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
go get it and make it a project. these are pretty rare. as the previous post said that these had three point hitches, pto, and pto winch for the front, generators and welders that took the place of the passenger seat. Very utilitarian vehicle. don't mess the old jeep up with an engine conversion. I have been a jeep fan for 35 years.



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JAZAK

05-30-2003 09:26:21




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
Yes, they were an option,somewhere in my archives I have pictures of pto post hole diggers,mowers ,winches front and rear pto driven. They were advertised as a small utility tractor alternative.Yes i have some family that installed 283ci in them but this is overkill. YOU THINK FINDING ENGINE PARTS IS HARD.IE CHEVY ENGINE SWAPS,TRY FINDING TRANSFERCASE PARTS THESE CASES DO NOT LIKE ALOT OF HP OR TORQUE, THEY WERE BUILT FOR ANEMIC 4 AND 6"s!!!!
HOWEVER "TRANSDAPT" SELLS FORD/CHEVY SWAP KITS OR PARTS FOR 2.3/151/V-6/SMALL-8'S

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Trevor

05-30-2003 08:40:50




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
I have never seen one my self but I now that it is an original. My wife's grandfather has told me about a guy who owned two of those Jeeps and thought they were the best thing going. He used it for everything and it was quite a good tractor. As a matter of fact I was told that he would use it on the silage blower with a belt and it could put some pretty good tractors to shame on the belt. The 6 cylinder worked really well and had lots of Hp.

If it in moderate shape at all and you are interested in it you should buy it. It would be cool to have one all restored and take it to plow days and other shows. As the other guy said there are lots of aftermarket parts for Jeeps around.

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Truck

05-30-2003 06:45:23




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 Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 05-30-2003 06:23:50  
WHen the Willys came back from WWII there were all sorts of accessories one could buy to make it a farm vehicle. Among these was the PTO you saw, and also there was a three point hitch availiable. The Jeep that would normally have been sold new at the time was a CJ-2A. If the jeep you were looking at had no provision for a tailgate it may even have been a former military jeep MB or Ford GPW. I'm sure if it is military there are lots of us out here in jeepland who would like to know what yard it was, and if it is a CJ2 folks are collecting those also. Putting a V8 in an old flatfender is almost sacrilege to the jeep guys nowadays, as ther are so many more CJ-5, 7, and wranglers out there to make rockcrawlers of. Neat find, anyhow! Probably not the most practical tractor in the world but it beat no tractor!

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MPK

06-01-2003 18:58:55




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 Re: Re: A Willys Jeep with a PTO? in reply to Truck, 05-30-2003 06:45:23  
My Dad had a 49 Jeep pickup and he had it equiped with a governor. I did quite a bit of discing with it pulling a 8 ft tandem IHC disc. It would go about 4 1/2 to 5 mph. It handled it real good and didn't overheat. Didn't turn very short though.



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