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Mike in Ohio

06-17-2007 07:47:58




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Having a little trouble with my trailer lights. the tailights and turn signals work fine but when I hit the brakes all the lights on the trailer go out. I'm wondering if a bad ground would cause this. The wireing looks to be pretty old, we got the trailer last fall and haven't used it alot yet. Does anybody ave a good idea where to start? Thanks alot Mike




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Mike in Ohio

06-17-2007 18:02:30




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 Re: Trailer lights in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-17-2007 07:47:58  
Thanks alot guys. I'll check the grounds and maybe just rewire the trailer if I get the time. Mike



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mjbrown

06-17-2007 11:06:28




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 Re: Trailer lights in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-17-2007 07:47:58  
I take care of several trailers at work and have learned how to eliminate a lot of problems. Since your wiring looks old it probably is so.... rip it out and rewire. In your new wiring, ground EVERYTHING through the wiring. Everywhere the wiring splits (brakes, tail lights) put the splices in a weatherproof box. Soldered splices are best with sealer then heat shrink tube. Use led lights, they outlast incandescents. If you stay with bulbs grease the contacts or solder the wires to the bulbs. The bulb outlast the contacts which get corroded and cause poor electrical contact and corrosion goes up the wires into the bulb destroying the vacum in the bulb.

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mike3320

06-17-2007 10:02:16




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 Re: Trailer lights in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-17-2007 07:47:58  
mike i had a light thought the same thing. turned out after rewiring trailer one of the tabs on the back of the bulb broke of and was between turn and brake post inside light. lights were fine till i hit the brakes then they wouldnt work.



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Bob M

06-17-2007 09:37:19




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 Re: Trailer lights in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-17-2007 07:47:58  
Mike - I agree with the others - most likely a bad (open) someplace in the trailer grounding conductor. Easiest fix is to run a new wire from the grounded pole on the trailer connector and fasten it securely to the trailer frame.

However don't overlook the possibility of an open ground pole at the tow vehicle trailer connector. (It happens sometimes...) Check with a test light between each "hot" connector pole and the grounded pole.

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Keith-OR

06-17-2007 08:20:45




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 Re: Trailer lights in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-17-2007 07:47:58  
Mike as others have said, clean the point where ground wire is attached to trailer frame, also clean rust and crud from ball and trailer coupler.

Run a temperary jumper wire from trailer to tow vehicle(you can use jumper cable for this)this will tell you if your ground connection is bad.

I keep my trailer ball and coupler clean and lite film of grease on both.

Keith & Shawn



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John T

06-17-2007 08:17:35




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 Re: Trailer lights in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-17-2007 07:47:58  
Mike, Having owned several trailers over the years and helping neighbors get their lights working, I have to say THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM Ive found is A BAD GROUND,,,,, ,,,,

Things that can help are to get a known good made gorund at the trucks witing connector. I often welded a small stainless bolt to the frame near the connector and used that for the ground wire into the trucks connector, anddddd d do the same on the trailer.

Next common problem I found is those cheap press on crimp wire connectors. I got to where I cut them alllll l out and re stripped and re spliced the wires using twist on wire nuts then siliconed or taped over to keep water out.

Another issue may be the differences in the 3 versus 4 wire systems and the use of the 3rd extra center brake light circuit n gettin that mixed up between truck and trailer. They make solid state 4 to 3 wire converters ya know. This is where the truck has seperate turn signals (4 wire system) instead of the regular 3 wire dual element (1157) tail and brake/turn bulb system used on the trailer. On those typical 3 wire system trailers the green is the right turn n stop,,,,, yellow is left turn n stop,,,,, ,brown is tail lights,,,,, ,,white is ground.

Id, CHECK THE GROUNDS ON BOTH TRUCK N TRAILER CONNECTORS,,,,, ,,,,, , insure good wire splices,,,,, ,,,,, ,,insure youre NOT mixing a 4 and 3 wire system (unless a 4 to 3 wire converter is used),,,,, ,,,,, insure youre not mixing up any 3rd wire brake light circuit on the trucks wiring receptacle,,,,, ,,,INSURE THE TRUCK N TRAILER PLUG N RECEPTACLE IS WIRED CORRECT!!!!! !!!!

John T

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John T

06-17-2007 08:16:46




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 Re: Trailer lights in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-17-2007 07:47:58  
Mike, Having owned several trailers over the years and helping neighbors get their lights working, I have to say THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM Ive found is A BAD GROUND,,,,, ,,,,

Things that can help are to get a known good made gorund at the trucks witing connector. I often welded a small stainless bolt to the frame near the connector and used that for the ground wire into the trucks connector, anddddd d do the same on the trailer.

Next common problem I found is those cheap press on crimp wire connectors. I got to where I cut them alllll l out and re stripped and re spliced the wires using twist on wire nuts then siliconed or taped over to keep water out.

Another issue may be the differences in the 3 versus 4 wire systems and the use of the 3rd extra center brake light circuit n gettin that mixed up between truck and trailer. They make solid state 4 to 3 wire converters ya know. This is where the truck has seperate turn signals (4 wire system) instead of the regular 3 wire dual element (1157) tail and brake/turn bulb system used on the trailer. On those typical 3 wire system trailers the green is the right turn n stop,,,,, yellow is left turn n stop,,,,, ,brown is tail lights,,,,, ,,white is ground.

Id, CHECK THE GROUNDS ON BOTH TRUCK N TRAILER CONNECTORS,,,,, ,,,,, , insure good wire splices,,,,, ,,,,, ,,insure youre NOT mixing a 4 and 3 wire system (unless a 4 to 3 wire converter is used),,,,, ,,,,, insure youre not mixing up any 3rd wire brake light circuit on the trucks wiring receptacle,,,,, ,,,INSURE THE TRUCK N TRAILER PLUG N RECEPTACLE IS WIRED CORRECT!!!!! !!!!

John T

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john in la

06-17-2007 08:00:38




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 Re: Trailer lights in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-17-2007 07:47:58  
Drag the trailer around the block a few times. Sounds like a bad ground and this should cure the problem.



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UncleTom

06-17-2007 07:59:16




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 Re: Trailer lights in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-17-2007 07:47:58  
Does it have a good ground? Check to see first hand and that it isnt all rusty. It doesnt hurt to take it off and sand it so it is a known good connection.



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