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Now I've gone and done it!!

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Keith-OR

06-16-2007 18:30:19




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Arrrggg. was just going to do a simple tune-up on my Ford 860, remove plugs, started with #4 came out really hard, 3# almost as bad and here is where the trouble began, #2 snapped off flush with outside of spark plug hole. Now to figure out how to remove the rest of it.,,:>((

Tried easy out, nothing seems to move.

Now I am ready for any and all seggestion. Short of having to remove head(last resort)..thanks

Keith & Shawn

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TomTX

06-17-2007 07:40:31




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:30:19  
Lesson to learn. Always use "never sieze" product on plug threads. When re-installing used plugs, 1. use new gasket-ring, 2. clean threads with wire brush and brake cleaner, 3. use never sieze, and 4. use torqe wrench. Tom



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Pappy

06-16-2007 22:05:47




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:30:19  
I took one out of a 3010 John Deere that was broken off with just the threaded portion of the spark plug still in the head. That spark plug metal is fairly soft, so I used a sharp punch between the broken part and the head and the threaded portion collapsed fairly easily. I used a big screwdriver to rotate the threaded portion and it came right out.



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Bob

06-16-2007 21:14:46




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:30:19  
Here's a method that works every time, with a minimal chance of getting metal filings in the cylinder. (Copied from a post I made on the "N" Board. Your's is an OHV engine, but the same procedure WILL work.

Read and HEED the "CAUTION, though!

!!!!CAUTION!!!! If you try the procedure below, there's a possibilty of an explosion in the cylinder (IF there's any remaining gas vapor in there), that will blow carbon and rust out the sparkplug hole, into your face. Keep your face (and other body parts) out of the "line of fire", on the odd chance this DOES happen, and wear eye, face, and ear protection. (DON'T ask me how I know this!)

The easiest way I know to remove broken spark plugs is to pull the hood/gas tank, set it safely out of the way, then heat the remains of the broken-off spark plug red hot with an oxy-accetylene torch. Allow it to cool to ambient temperature, then remove what's left of the spark plug with a screw extractor. If it doesn't come loose easily, remove the extractor and repeat the heating/cooling process, and try again.

This SHOULD make the remains of the plug come out easily, minizing any metal filings being chewed off by the extractor, and dropping in the cylinder.

(Heating makes the remains expand, and, since they can expand in the threads, they elongate, then shrink, and break free of the threads in the head, as it cools.)

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Keith-OR

06-16-2007 22:39:00




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Bob, 06-16-2007 21:14:46  
Bob, hood is already off. All that is left is to remove gas tank, which I was going to do anyway.

I'll give your method a shot tomorrow.

Keith



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37 chief

06-16-2007 20:25:35




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:30:19  
If the plug broke off I doubt a easy out will work. I do think the dremel grinder is a good thing to try. Even if you cut into the threads a little I doubt it will be a problem, as all the sealing is at the washter. Before you run a tap through the threads, coat the complete tap with grease so all the crud will stick to it. Here is another though before grinding. Turn engine to get the ex valve open. Get wife's vacuum so the suction is as close as possible to the grinding. With the ex open it will have a air flow to the vacuum. Before grinding stuff some oiled rags into the combustion area on top of the piston which should be comming up incase a few pieces of grinding got back in through the vacuum. Pull the rag back out when through to remove any other pieces. The little dremmel tools are real handy with a good cutter blade which come in all sizes. Stan

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flying belgian

06-16-2007 20:02:05




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:30:19  
Pull the head off. By the time you try all those other suggestions with no sucess you could almost have it back together and if you have already drilled it you have to pull head off anyway to clean up filings.



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Wayne Swenson

06-16-2007 19:12:59




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:30:19  
Been there- done that!!
1. Bring the piston on the offending cylinder up on it's compression stroke. (valves closed)
2. Take a Dremel tool with a straight metal cutting bit and notch the broken spark plug thread in 2 or 3 places so the threads are just showing. Then take a small sharp chisel and collapse the threads inward so you can grab the remnants and turn them out.
3. Use a blow gun with a 6" or longer pipe on it so you can blow OUTWARD any metal shavings.
4. Buy a spark plug thread tap and clean all of the cylinder spark plug holes. Be sure to remove any old gaskets left behind from someone else and completely scrape any residue off the gasket seat so the spark plug can cool itself properly.

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old

06-16-2007 18:59:04




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:30:19  
First off thats not good. If you can and since you said you tried an E-Z out you should be able to do this. Fill the cylinder with tranny fluid and then tunr the engine over just enough to have a little of it comeing out of that plug. Then go to bed, or have a few beers etc. Tomorrow try the E-Z out agin. Hope you have a set like I have not the cheap e-z brakes. You also may need some heat but thats a last reserte thing

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Keith-OR

06-16-2007 19:56:50




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to old, 06-16-2007 18:59:04  
Rich, I have a set of good Mac extractors, but wouldn't ya know it someone borrowed my 5/16 and dint return it.... Seems like this always happens, just when ya need something...:>((

Keith



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old

06-16-2007 21:36:58




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 19:56:50  
Are they the ones taht are about an inch long????? ??? If they are good but if there the ones that are about 3 inches long then you in trouble.



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Keith-OR

06-16-2007 22:20:41




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to old, 06-16-2007 21:36:58  
they are only about 1 inch long, but don't make much difference since the one I need is missing..:>((

Keith



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old

06-17-2007 08:20:31




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 22:20:41  
Well I have 2 sets of them. You could stop by and borrow one set from me LOL. Ya guess you would need to have Scotty beam you up to be able to do that.



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dds-inc

06-16-2007 18:53:07




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:30:19  
Those have got to be some dang tight plugs (or rusted??) I would almost say use a little tiny bit of heat... but i've never done that on a plug. BUTTT.....if you already used an easy-out in the plug, chances are that you've knocked some of the plug in the engine, which ain't good when it comes time to start it!!



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WaltMo

06-16-2007 18:48:29




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:30:19  
Might try WD40 let it soak then try to turn it back in a little. If you can get it to move any at all keep putting WD40 on it and turn it back and forth until it gets loose enough to come out.
It is best to use this method before twisting off.
lol
WaltMo



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Keith-OR

06-16-2007 18:56:50




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to WaltMo, 06-16-2007 18:48:29  
Walt, I dint even get a chance, snapped off in the first partial turn. Durn cheap plugs..:>((

Keith



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dan hill

06-17-2007 05:07:12




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:56:50  
What brand of plugs are they?



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dvtw

06-16-2007 19:36:44




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 Re: Now I've gone and done it!! in reply to Keith-OR, 06-16-2007 18:56:50  
Hope you get them out. For the next guys sake, make sure you put never sieze on your new plug threads to save the next guy the trouble of what you are enduring now.

Good luck!



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