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hayray

01-17-2008 14:30:59




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Unions. And especially union steel workers. My buddy has a Beretta shotgun with a barrel made in Japan. The Japanese steel is really good.




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The Dukester

01-17-2008 17:37:37




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 Re: CNH Global in reply to hayray, 01-17-2008 14:30:59  
You're so right, it is the fault of the labor unions and the greedy American workers. Unions should be abolished and workers forced to work for the same wages as foreign workers to insure the continued prosperity of wealthy investors and management excutive officials. It's essential that America produce as many millionaires and billionaires as is humanly possible. Thank God for wise people like you for knowing what is wrong with this country.

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RodInNS

01-18-2008 05:12:35




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 Re: CNH Global in reply to The Dukester, 01-17-2008 17:37:37  
First off, as it relates to Agricultural tractors, most of the manufacturing is done in the 'west' mostly in a union setting. This is in the US, UK, western Europe for the most part. IT's true that they do source stuff from around the globe, but I'd suggest that most of their maunfacturing is done in plants that hav a rather high labor cost. I don't believe that these companies are going to China to get rid of high labor costs. They're going there to get rid of HEADACES.
A union in and of itself is a headache to a company. There's no regs in China. They do what they want to there. There's very little if any environmental regulation there either... another VERY BIG reason not to operate in a western developed society.
I don't believe that labor is the biggest factor in these decisions anymore, but it is still a factor. I'd suggest that if they had to conform the the same regulatory structure in China that they do here, the manufacturing would largely be done here again... and I'm not so sure that it won't when the cost of transportation catches up once oil really starts getting expensive.

It strikes me as odd that western Europe has been able to maintain much of it's manufacturing sector in spite of having much more stringent labor laws than we've traditionally had here. Mabey THEY figured out something that we haven't? I don't want to hear that it's all subsidies and tariffs either...

Rod

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georgeky

01-17-2008 18:46:06




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 Re: CNH Global in reply to The Dukester, 01-17-2008 17:37:37  
Unions are good for those in the union. Doesn't help the rest of us one bit. My wife works her a$$ off in a nursing home taking care of old folks for 9 bucks an hour. Been there for years. I have never made 25 or 30 dollars an hour and complained about a thing.

Why do union folks think they are entitled to top pay, free medical coverage, a big pension, on and on, and still have enough nerve to strike over something reletively small, that other folks such as my wife and millions more have to pay for out of their 9 bucks an hour.

Just because I work for you why would you be responsible to pay me until I die. All that has to paid for somehow.

Reagan was right when he fired all the air traffic controllers, and that is exactly what I would do to those writers who are stiking now. If I had a job with top pay, and benefits, and then quit working because I wanted another dollar, I would deserve to be fired, and would expect it.

They were well meaning in the beginning, but like everything else it got out of hand.

Then we wonder why the jobs and manufacturing have left this country. Unions finished off IH, along with many other companies.

I agree the corporations are greedy. Just look at the oil companies. The depression that is coming will help sort and balance things out again.

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Jack a

01-18-2008 04:07:33




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 Re: CNH Global in reply to georgeky, 01-17-2008 18:46:06  
Fool.



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georgeky

01-18-2008 08:00:49




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 Re: CNH Global in reply to Jack a, 01-18-2008 04:07:33  
Well Jack, you are entitled to your opinion, No need for name calling. What would happen if farmers were unionized and went on strike.? I will tell you. The Banks would set most if them out on their a$$, then the gov't would take over what ws left to try and feed people, so don't tell me about how big a fool I am until everyone gets the same shake. Your reply is a typical union man response.

I admitted unions are good for the lucky few who are in them, and have managed to keep a job, but damn sure have made it hard on everyone else.

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Spook

01-17-2008 19:13:44




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 Re: CNH Global in reply to georgeky, 01-17-2008 18:46:06  
Around here the union manufacturing jobs were the last to go overseas. The non union shops either went overseas or went out of business years ago.



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georgeky

01-17-2008 19:44:11




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 Re: CNH Global in reply to Spook, 01-17-2008 19:13:44  
All we have left here were never union, All the union factories are gone. Rockwell, Hobart, Bundy Tubing,and a few more left years ago. They were good paying jobs, and have been replaced by several other factories with top pay of around 10 to 12 dollars per hour on the line.

I worked with a guy in the early 80's that had made 26 dollars per hour for Rockwell. When they closed he worked on the line with me making roof support bolts for coal mines. Starting pay was 5.35 per hour, and he was glad to get it after being out of work for 8 months. Said he had to change his habits, but it beat starving.

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georgeky

01-17-2008 14:53:17




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 Re: CNH Global in reply to hayray, 01-17-2008 14:30:59  
I know, but that don't help much. I have a S&W 1000 shotgun, I bought in the mid 70's made in Japan. It is a good one.



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hayray

01-18-2008 03:13:20




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 Re: CNH Global in reply to georgeky, 01-17-2008 14:53:17  
Smith and Wesson made a Shotgun?



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georgeky

01-18-2008 08:03:28




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 Re: CNH Global in reply to hayray, 01-18-2008 03:13:20  
Yep, more than one. Mine is a gas operated semi auto, kind like a cross between a Rem 1100, and an A-5 Browning. Lot lighter then the 1100, with better fit and finish. Try googling S&W 1000.



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