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What's the big deal.... getting a CDL

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john in la

10-19-2007 06:47:48

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What is the big deal with getting a CDL?? I can see fighting big brother for not wanting to get a DOT # for a personal vehicle but why fight the CDL rules?

Is it the cost? the trouble? or just that you feel big brother is making you do something extra??

I just do not see what the big deal is? Please help me see your point of view of what I may be over looking??

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1206SWMO

10-19-2007 18:03:57

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to john in la, 10-19-2007 06:47:48

Thank Goodness that I dont need a CDL! My truck is rated at 10,000 lbs and my trailer at 14,000 lbs and I have them liscensed for #26,000 lbs.

I once was liscensed to drive the big rigs but let it go 25 years ago.If I needed a CDL it would be everything you mentioned,the cost,the hassle,and having to burn a days vacation and drive over 60 miles one way to go do it.

I've driven all kinds of vehicles the past 42 years and a CDL isnt going to make me any better driver.I dont want to be an over the road trucker and if I did I'd already have a CDL.All I want to do is haul a few tractors and combines around to shows and maybe go to a few tractor pulls and plow meets.

Lots of us are getting tired of big brother cramming stuff down our throats without any input at all from us.Everything they do leads to more and more money going out of our pockets.Our pockets are starting to get empty.

Excessive rules and regulations can lead to a countries downfall!

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Braunvieh Farms

10-21-2007 18:46:26

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to 1206SWMO, 10-19-2007 18:03:57

It"s not the liecencing that makes a person safe or unsafe it"s the maintence and the knowledge that a person has or does not have. Pretty soon everyone who has a big truck of 10,000 or higher is going to be subject to the DOT rules and regulations, Farmers, and R.V. owners included. That means health cards and a CDL licence. Not everyone out there follows the rules this is what happens when a few people spoil it for everyone by not maintaining their vehicles and knowing when to stop driving something that is bigger than what they can safly handle. As the old saying goes "You have to pay to play" I pay my fees and licences every year and have never had a problem with the DOT it"s not cheap but it saves a lot of headaches down the road.

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john in la

10-20-2007 06:48:03

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to 1206SWMO, 10-19-2007 18:03:57

You make some real good points; and at least you did not bring in things that do not have anything to do with a CDL. That is one of the big problems with federal regs. Not many know the rules and they think having a CDL means filling out IFTA paperwork.

The cost of a CDL is < $20 a year. I feel if you can put fuel in a truck now a days you could spring for $20.

I can see your point in the fact that a CDL is a hassle to get because every DMV does not give them out. Some have to drive many miles to get one.

Big brother does have a hard job to do. On one hand he has every small group beating him up to make our highways safer. It is always the trucks fault in most peoples eyes so they make stricter rules for trucks. But even that did not work because the general public is not happy. They are ready to redo the hours of service rule again.

In my mind you small guys can thank the keeping up with the Jones's crowd; and the small business man that knows full well he falls into DOT regulations; but chooses not to follow them. I feel the DOT is really after the 1 ton with a gooseneck trailer hauling the backhoe from job site to job site. These guys are most times over weight; unsafe; and just do not care about the law. Then you come along with your personal tractor headed for a show and you get caught in the mix. Real hard for the DOT to enforce laws when the backhoe guy from above has all these excuses of how he is just moving the rig to his brothers house to do some work. Then the next week the officer sees the same rig moving to a new job site.

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Weldin man

10-19-2007 17:33:10

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to john in la, 10-19-2007 06:47:48

My big gripe with all this CDL crap is. Say I have a F 800 Ford truck with air brakes and I hook a 24ft pintle hitch lowboy behind it and load two tractors on it that weighs over 10,000 lbs and cross a state line, one mile, I have to have a class A CDL. I can take the same trailer with the same load, hook it behind a million dollar Provost motor home ,with air brakes and I am exempt anywhere in USA. It's all about money, not safety.

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john in la

10-19-2007 17:52:07

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to Weldin man, 10-19-2007 17:33:10

NO if it weighs over 10,000 lbs and you cross a state line you need a DOT # but only if you make money from the move.
CDL rules start at 26,000 lbs and the second you back it out your drive you need the CDL unless you fit under the farmer exempt clause or the RV exempt clause.

BUT then again I agree with you bacic train of thought about the RV exemption. It is not about safety when it comes to them; it is about padding the right pocket; and people that build RV's have sure done that.

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amen_amen_amen

10-19-2007 17:38:09

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to Weldin man, 10-19-2007 17:33:10

Amen Amen Amen

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john_bud

10-19-2007 11:17:36

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to john in la, 10-19-2007 06:47:48

1) CDL holds you to a higher level. Higher penalties, higher standards

2) Don't need it for under 26,000#

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john in la

10-20-2007 06:02:10

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to john_bud, 10-19-2007 11:17:36

Higher standards may be a good thing and not just for CDL drivers but for all drivers.

Might get some of these soccer moms to slow down a little. Our highways are a death trap just waiting for your turn to come up.

Do you think there would be as many train/car wrecks if they enforced CDL train crossing rules on everyone???
Crossing a track without slowing to check if it is clear gets you a 60 day suspension on the first offence.
Speeding of 15 mph or more gets you 60 days suspension on the second offence.

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Chuck730DSE

10-19-2007 11:10:52

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to john in la, 10-19-2007 06:47:48

There is a big difference in a motor home for pleasure and a truck and trailer capable of hauling heavy loads for pleasure. It is your "honest" buddies that have messed it up for us. The DOT knows that more and more of them are hauling for hire, over weight, running multi state and for profit and resale, but trying to claim that it is for "farming".
The big deal with applying for a CDL is that you have to do all of the reports, fuel stickers, stop at weight stations, etc., just like the big truckers.
It would be too hard to manage a mid range hauling system and many would take advantage of it, so it is the way it is.
Wait until you are in an accident, even if you are at fault, and the victims see that trailer with a load of tractors on it. All it will take to prove that you are "unsafe" or "negligent" is to find one little detail that you were not clean on.
Good luck keeping much of your money when they take you to court.

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john in la

10-19-2007 17:02:42

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to Chuck730DSE, 10-19-2007 11:10:52

And that is the answer I was afraid of getting.

CDL has nothing; I SAID NOTHING to do with.....
reports, fuel stickers, stoping at weight stations, etc. ect. ect. That is all DOT # issues.

A CDL is nothing more than a drivers licence.

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Bobl1958

10-19-2007 12:01:12

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to Chuck730DSE, 10-19-2007 11:10:52

Actually, the CDL itself doesnt mean having to fill out any reg's. It's just your drivers liscence. DOT is where you have to fill out the paperwork. You can have a CDL and not fall under DOT regs necessarily.

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Chuck730DSE

10-19-2007 13:01:12

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to Bobl1958, 10-19-2007 12:01:12

I agree, you only have to fill out DOT papers and reports IF you use the CDL that way that many tractor people want to use it. They want to haul loads on equipment that is combined rated for over 26,000 LBS across state lines. That means they buy fuel out of state. That means they are to report quarterly how much fuel they buy in each state in which they drive, and pay taxes where they are owed.
It is a nightmare unless you are an over the road driver that makes a living doing it.
It used to be you could sneak around, but all state computers are now tied together and share info. If you are ever stopped in one state, you will pay dearly if you get stopped again in another state and are not in compliance.
The other wrinkle is this. The DOT guys are going to collect money almost every time they make a stop. They will find something and you will be delayed for longer than a normal trooper stop.
If your rig is capable of over 26,000 LBS, you may as well get a semi so you can haul a lot of stuff.

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Chances R

10-19-2007 07:07:55

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to john in la, 10-19-2007 06:47:48

Since I am going to have to get a CDL now I can tell you my thoughts on it. CDL commercial driver license. I just want to haul my antique tractors to a show or plow meet etc. I have no intention of being for hire or for that matter pull a trailer over 1000 miles a year. I guess I am also a little worried about taking all the test for CDL. I guess I shouldnt be worried about something I know very little about though. Another thing I believe moter homes are excluded from CDL and I have to ask whats the difference they are both for pleasure, one is just a little more dirty. :)

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Verniee

10-19-2007 17:53:26

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to Chances R, 10-19-2007 07:07:55

If your combo is under 26,000 # you don't need a CDL.

And if it is just for personal use, shows etc, you don't need one.

But then again every cop I've talked to seems to have their own version of the law.

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john in la

10-20-2007 06:05:01

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to Verniee, 10-19-2007 17:53:26

The reason you get a differant version each time is some do not know the laws and some do not understand the law when they are told it.

The only personal use that would exempt you from a CDL is if you have RV tags on the unit.

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john in la

10-19-2007 16:57:37

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to Chances R, 10-19-2007 07:07:55

A CDL is nothing more than a drivers licence. Would you think of driving your wifes car to the grocery with out haveing a licence. I think not; so why not get a licence that says you can drive a bigger truck.
The test are simple if you read the study guide before taking the test. You should already know the info about pulling a trailer since you do it from time to time. In fact if you do not know the info about pulling a trailer a CDL may be a good thing for you since it will make you learn the info.
Now we could debate RV's being exempt all week. I do not agree with it because they should also know the rules; but thats what you get when you pad the right pockets.

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the tractor vet

10-19-2007 08:09:54

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Re: What's the big deal.... getting a CDL in reply to Chances R, 10-19-2007 07:07:55

Now just stop and think about this for a min. Who buys these big motor homes and how much MONEY is spent on them and how much is spent traveling around . Do you thing that the RV people would raise a big fuss if THEY had to go take a test to have a CDl to go play and how much of a stink they would raise if THEY had to have a IRP plates and PAY taxes on EVERY mile for EVERY state they drove in . But Just how many of us will roll over and play dead and PAY MORE TO GO PLAY???? Likw i said ya can not get TWO FARMER OR TWO TRUCK DRIVERS to stand together for two seconds on one Issue and they know this and they will shove what ever they want down our necks . A few will wine about it but well roll up in a ball and go sulk in a corner . OPEN up your mouths and start callen and writing letters . OR just roll over and play dead and put all your toys in the barn and not go anywhere with them . Just think of all the money you will save and all the fuel you won't burn . You will not need that 45000 dollar pick up pick up or that 7000 dollar trailer , ya won't have to worry about BIG BROTHER showen up on your door step looking at your records or sending in the quarterly tax check for the states road tax that ya run in . Just think if WE did not play the game and we all rolled over and played dead and stayed home then that would leave more time for the DOT to work on the big trucks and spend more time drinking coffee.

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