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That 26,000 lbs rule.

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Chances R

10-17-2007 05:46:45

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Just thought I would bring this up because it is something that has bugged me for a while now. I agree with the 26,000 lbs rule its just that I have a 14,000 lbs gooseneck trailer. So that leaves 12,000 for the truck. When looking for a truck in 1999 I decided to get a Ford F450 cause thats all they had on the lot and I thought it would be neet to be able to haul a tractor on the bed of the truck from time to time so I got a 16,000 lbs plate on the truck. So now I am running 30,000 lbs plates but have no intention or desire to weight over 26,000 lbs. I have never been pulled over before. I guess I will be in trouble when I do???.

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john in la

10-19-2007 06:06:36

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to Chances R, 10-17-2007 05:46:45

Yes you will be in deep do do if they ever stop you because you have tags that total over 26,000 lbs and the truck can handle it safely.

Changing the tags below 26,000 lbs will most likely not do you any good but I know some that try to walk that fine line with marginal vehicles like yours. The rules are written to say if the manufacture says it can haul it that is what they go by not what you have it tagged at.

I do not know what you use this rig for so I can not comment on DOT #'s but my advise to you is NEVER I mean NEVER haul anything for someone else even as a favor. You will not only open DOT rules on yourself but also ICC rules and that is a big can of worms.

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Chuck730DSE

10-19-2007 04:27:08

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to Chances R, 10-17-2007 05:46:45

I was told by a DOT officer that we need to read the Federal Manual on Commercial Drivers front to back.
It is not just easy as to go buy the truck that you want. The dealers will not tell you much, they are in it to sell trucks. It is our responsibility to know all of the rules once we buy it.
One of the biggest myths is that the "26,000 LBS" is how much your rig weights. It has nothing to do with that figure until you get in to over weight situations.
The CDL requirement is based on the total rated capability of the rig. It matters not if it is a single truck or a combo with a trailer.
Figure your GCVR (gross combined vehicle rating) If it is one pound over 26,000 LBS, you need everything a trucker needs. Matters not if you are not hauling anything. The "farmer" exclusion is short distances from your farm address. Better not go too far from the farm, and especially do not go across state lines thinking you can get by with it. A farmer's rig is just as dangerous and anyone else's, if the driver is not properly licensed.

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Braunvieh Farms

10-21-2007 18:44:43

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to Chuck730DSE, 10-19-2007 04:27:08

It"s not the liecencing that makes a person safe or unsafe it"s the maintence and the knowledge that a person has or does not have. Pretty soon everyone who has a big truck of 10,000 or higher is going to be subject to the DOT rules and regulations, Farmers, and R.V. owners included. That means health cards and a CDL licence. Not everyone out there follows the rules this is what happens when a few people spoil it for everyone by not maintaining their vehicles and knowing when to stop driving something that is bigger than what they can safly handle. As the old saying goes "You have to pay to play" I pay my fees and licences every year and have never had a problem with the DOT it"s not cheap but it saves a lot of headaches down the road.

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Haywood

10-18-2007 21:20:51

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to Kim P, 10-17-2007 05:46:45

Matt Weltz said: (quoted from post at 22:16:45 10/18/07) So I am correct in understanding that I should have a CDL and DOT Numbers for my 30" 20,000GVWR gooseneck and 2003 GMC 2500HD???

Yep!

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Haywood

10-18-2007 20:16:57

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to Kim P, 10-17-2007 05:46:45

Yep! And those fellas don't have a sense of humor when it comes to Not being compliant. The fines get pretty stiff.

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430WLPG

10-17-2007 19:15:08

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to Chances R, 10-17-2007 05:46:45

I agree with Bud, and also you don't even have to be hauling anything to be in trouble if like Bud said if the GVWR+GVW tags add up to 26,001 or more and they stop you and check

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john_bud

10-17-2007 10:18:55

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to Chances R, 10-17-2007 05:46:45

My understanding is that you will get a $panking from the smiling man in the blue uniform for not having your CDL, probably for not having USDOT numbers and then he will pile on with all the other things like no medical card, no safety inspection, no fire ex, no triangles and on and on.

You need to have the GVWR of the truck + the GVW of the trailer to be under 26,001#, the actual weight of truck + trailer under 26,001# and the registered weight of both under 26,001#. If any of those combinations is over 26,000 - it's CDL land. If that is a Farm truck with farm plates pulling a farm trailer, there is a set of exclusions that may give you a "get out of jail free card".

Nice looking rig!

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Matt Weltz

10-18-2007 21:16:45

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to john_bud, 10-17-2007 10:18:55

So I am correct in understanding that I should have a CDL and DOT Numbers for my 30" 20,000GVWR gooseneck and 2003 GMC 2500HD???

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john in la

10-19-2007 05:10:49

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to Matt Weltz, 10-18-2007 21:16:45

That question is hard to answer unless we look at all the details.
Your gooseneck puts you right in the CDL range BUT that trailer is way overkill for your truck.

A quick search told me your truck comes in having a gross combined weight rating of about 22,000 lbs and a towing capacity of about 15,000 max IF properly equipped.

So if my figures are correct that trailer behind your truck does not require a CDL but if pulled by a bigger truck it would require a class A CDL.

A DOT # is a different ball game because it starts at 10,000 lbs but we need to know what you use the truck for to answer that question.

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Matt Weltz

10-19-2007 07:25:10

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to john in la, 10-19-2007 05:10:49

It is only used for personal farm related (tractors/equipment, and hay) hauling. I do not do any contract hauling. Trailer is bigger than what I need but I like the lateral stability of the duals while hauling tall hay or top heavy loads. I also went with such a big trailer because I bent both axles on the 14,000GVWR gooseneck that I previously owned.

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john in la

10-19-2007 16:48:44

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to Matt Weltz, 10-19-2007 07:25:10

OK personal and farm related are not the same thing. Farm related is a bussiness.
Do you have farm tags on the truck and trailer???
Since farm related is a bussiness; and you are over 10,000 lbs you will need a DOT # to cross state lines and may even need it for in state use depending on what state you are in.

Like I said before; if my figures are correct you do not need a CDL. Your truck has a GCWR under 26,001 lbs and you never weigh over 26,000 lbs.
With that heavy duty trailer I would get a copy of your truck specs that shows the GVWR and GCWR of the truck; and keep it in the glove box. If you are ever stopped show it to the officer as evedince that your truck is not capable of hauling loads big enough to require a CDL.

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RickB

10-19-2007 03:09:45

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Re: That 26,000 lbs rule. in reply to Matt Weltz, 10-18-2007 21:16:45

Absolutely.

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