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john in la

10-10-2007 05:19:53

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Ok guys just for fun..... ..... .....

1) Who needs a CDL. (Check all that apply)
A) A single truck that weighs 27,000 lbs
B) A truck that weighs 19,000 lbs and a trailer that weighs 8,000 lbs... Total 27,000 lbs
C) A truck that weighs 16,000 lbs and a trailer that weighs 11,000 lbs... Total 27,000 lbs

2) Your state laws say 0.08 is legal drunk and federal CDL laws say 0.04 is legal drunk.
You have a CDL and your buddy has a regular car licence. You both go out on a Sat night for a few drinks. You both drive your private cars home and on the way get stopped for DWI. You both test 0.06.
WHAT HAPPENS????? ?

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john in la

10-10-2007 20:11:38

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The Answers in reply to john in la, 10-10-2007 05:19:53

Question 2;
Nothing happens to either of you. You were in your personal cars. The thing about having a CDL does not effect you unless you are past your state limits. If you fail the state limit test (0.08) you will have stricter penalties. A first offence and you loose your CDL license for 1 year; second offence you loose your CDL for life. Some states may have laws this strict but my state does not.

Question 1;
This is the question I would have gotten wrong but I guess you learn something new every day.
A and C need a CDL but B does not. Now even most DOT officers do not know this so lets look at it more.
As Dave said look at section B

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If you read what is written and do not read anything into it you should read it to say....
A truck with a GVWR of more than 26,001 lbs. This is a truck weight of 26,001 lbs or more. Does not say anything about combined weight of truck and trailer. This includes any trucks that pull a trailer less than 10,000 lbs. It does not say anything about the GCWR or gross combined weight.
The only section that uses the combined weight of the truck and the trailer is section A and then the trailer has to be over 10,000 lbs to apply.
This next picture should spell it out in every day language. Look at #3.

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Now will you get a ticket for not having a CDL if your truck is like example B in the test. Most likely yes because as I said before; most DOT officers do not know this point.

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Randy Freshour

10-10-2007 20:45:29

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Re: The Answers in reply to john in la, 10-10-2007 20:11:38

You need a class B CDL for class b Or Example number 3. But that only applies if your for hire or making a profit.

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john in la

10-10-2007 21:18:37

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Re: The Answers in reply to Randy Freshour, 10-10-2007 20:45:29

It says it right there in black and white. #3 in the 2nd picture is not a CMV and does not need a CDL. I do not know how to explaine it any better than that.
For hire has nothing to do with a CDL. For hire and private carriers fall under the same rules when it comes to CDL's. Farmers do have a exemption though.

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davediehl@hotmail.com

10-10-2007 17:48:48

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to john in la, 10-10-2007 05:19:53

1) Who needs a CDL. (Check all that apply)
Yep A) A single truck that weighs 27,000 lbs
Yep B) A truck that weighs 19,000 lbs and a trailer that weighs 8,000 lbs... Total 27,000 lbs

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Yep C) A truck that weighs 16,000 lbs and a trailer that weighs 11,000 lbs... Total 27,000 lbs

At the very most, you and your friend may be arrested for public intoxication since your on a public highway. The way the law here is writtten, I can walk into a bar and arrest every person who has been drinking. As far as a DUI, the CDL is only enforced if you are in something other than a personal car. The CDL endorcement does not make you adhere to stricter laws when in a personal vehicle. Absolutely will not fly in a personal car in my state. The officer would be sued for a false arrest and fired.

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Davis In SC

10-12-2007 18:35:17

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 10-10-2007 17:48:48

Officer Dave, that example (B) sounds like a perfect example of a Ryder moving truck, pulling a large car, or pickup on a trailer.. Do the authorities kinda look the other way, concerning those moving trucks? To me, the most dangerous thing on the road is a rental moving truck. A lady that has never driven anything larger than a VW, can rent a truck with a 26 foot body, pulling a 16 or 20 foot trailer, and drive across the country.

I once witnessed a trailer carrying a car, come loose from a Ryder truck.. And it totaled out aparked stretch limo, that it hit, and missed a State Trooper's car by inches.

The man that lost the trailer had failed to latch the coupler, as well as failing to attach the safety chains or the breakaway lanyard..

Ir scares me that folks like that can rent a truck..

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davediehl@hotmail.com

10-12-2007 20:34:47

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to Davis In SC, 10-12-2007 18:35:17

Ryder alone has 9,387 power units listed under one listing in Miami Florida. Uhaul is about the same. I wouldn't say enforcement is looking a different direction, but if you look at the actual plates, you will see they classify them in a light weight category. Plus the driver is not for hire transporting his/her own household items. They are insured better than anyone else on the road. I'm not going to get into a big debate, but the ole horse is getting beat pretty bad now. Had a mother and daughter killed last night on the toll road not far from here because she didn't slow down for a toll booth. Rammed a semi paying his toll. Its the little guy that seems to have more of a problem. This was the second crash in a week on the same stretch of road that killed someone. Sorry if I sound like a grouch, its been a long week.

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Davis In SC

10-12-2007 21:30:41

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 10-12-2007 20:34:47

Thanks for the answer, Officer Dave... I know we do tend to pick on the law enforcement officers, but we are glad that you are out there,... It would not be safe to hit the road, if officers were not out there.. I cannot imagine a tougher job, than having to go tell a family that a loved one was killed in a accident.. Sure glad I do not have to do that.

In spite of our griping & grumblings here, I think we all support you... Thanks

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Mike in Ohio

10-10-2007 18:08:23

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 10-10-2007 17:48:48

Dave correct me if I'm wrong but I think the guy with the cdl doesn't get arrested but does get put out of service for at least 24 hours. Mike

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davediehl@hotmail.com

10-10-2007 22:00:39

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to Mike in Ohio, 10-10-2007 18:08:23

Dave correct me if I'm wrong but I think the guy with the cdl doesn't get arrested but does get put out of service for at least 24 hours.

Mike, I won't get into the BAC and the rate that it exits the blood, but if someone registers .06 on a certified test, he will be safe and register .00 after 5 hours. The rate that alcohol leaves the body is different from males to females also. But, at the point of the stop, its highly unlikely that a DOT officer would be doing anything to place him out of service. You need to remember that this was in a personal vehicle. There has been no crime committed unless the state of the stop has an open container law that may have been violated OR the individual got mouthy and received a public intox charge. I have used that in my state when the driver gets the attitude then both persons go to jail. There is always variables in scenerios that would almost require one to be placed in the situation to see what (if any) enforcement actions would be taken. If there is obvious impairment you need to get the driver off the road for safety issues. As long as I can prove the impairment, I have a good arrest under the DUI for the impairment. Its all about being under the influence instead instead of driving while intoxicated. But, like I say, the guy with the CDL will probably go home with no restrictions due to being in a passenger car. There may be conversation about work and what he's thinking but I would say absolutely no to enforcement action. Thats just reality.

For those wondering, .06 BAC can be done with a 160 pound male having 2 1/2 beers in 35 minutes. He will be .000 in 4 1/2 to 5 hours.

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john in la

10-10-2007 18:52:45

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to Mike in Ohio, 10-10-2007 18:08:23

Mike; You are thinking of the law that says If you are at work and test at 0.02 to 0.04 you are to be sent home for 24 hours. Over the counter drugs like Nyquil will put you over 0.02.

382.505
(a) No driver tested under the provisions of subpart C of this part who is found to have an alcohol concentration of 0.02 or greater but less than 0.04 shall perform or continue to perform safety-sensitive functions for an employer, including driving a commercial motor vehicle, nor shall an employer permit the driver to perform or continue to perform safety-sensitive functions, until the start of the driver's next regularly scheduled duty period, but not less than 24 hours following administration of the test

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john_Bud

10-10-2007 06:31:29

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to john in la, 10-10-2007 05:19:53

john in la said: (quoted from post at 05:19:53 10/10/07) Ok guys just for fun..... ..... .....

1) Who needs a CDL. (Check all that apply)

A) A single truck that weighs 27,000 lbs

B) A truck that weighs 19,000 lbs and a trailer that weighs 8,000 lbs... Total 27,000 lbs

C) A truck that weighs 16,000 lbs and a trailer that weighs 11,000 lbs... Total 27,000 lbs

2) Your state laws say 0.08 is legal drunk and federal CDL laws say 0.04 is legal drunk.

You have a CDL and your buddy has a regular car licence. You both go out on a Sat night for a few drinks. You both drive your private cars home and on the way get stopped for DWI. You both test 0.06.

WHAT HAPPENS????? ?

1) A and C need a CDL, but oddly enough B does not.

2) You get jailed for DWI, your buddy gets ticketed for DUI. You get a new career cleaning toilets at Micky-D's and pay a huge fine, your buddy keeps his career making fries at Micky-D's and pays a modest fine.

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the tractor vet

10-10-2007 08:53:23

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to john_Bud, 10-10-2007 06:31:29

No mattter what happens and ya show the cops a CDL your screwed . AND here again since all this B/S has been in place has the roads become safer has the quality of the TRUCK DRIVE gotten better IMHOP NO . Has DEREGULATION done any good NO . Just made more NEW JOBS for more regulations and give more power to the people that have a badge a gun and knife to screw with the little guy so they can take more money away from him or keep him home . I look around here at all the 1/2 thru 1 ton pickups that ya see running around town all loaded up with ever option going to the store or pullen a trailer with there toys on trailers and not one of them have a DOT # , A few companys have there name and # on the side but a large number of SMALL guys just tryen to scratch a living out layen block or doing small excavating jobs with a skidsteer and mini Excavator don't and 99% of them don't have a clue that this is all coming down even the guys tractor pullen around here don't know and when ya tell them they thing that you are tryen to pull there leg most are as old or older then me . Back when this all started the night before the CDL went into affect i was heading home with my F350 and goose neck with a 706 on and i got stopped , Tryen to figure out why this arres hole was pullen me over as i was not speeding all my lights worked the tractor was tied down correctly and know the drill oh to well , you know give me your drivers license and reg. so as he is getting out of the car i have everything in hand and look in my mirror and see him screw his smokey bear hat on and his look on his face i knew he had and attitude he come up to the trailer and wipes the sticker off and writes down the GVW of the trailer and then he come up and just jurked the door of the truck open with out sayen a word and reads the tag and writes the GVW of the truck down then asked for my license and it was a chauffeurs license that i have had since i was a teenager and he tells me that come midnight that i can nolonger drive MY truck and may trailer for MY owen use . Now since i was already able to grandfather in but had to take the written test i spent the next two days tryen to get in to take this stupid test . I had not planed on getting a CDL so one of my buddys would quite asken me to drive his semi but now I HAVE TO HAVE THIS to drive my truck and pull MY trailer to the tractor pulls or to the shows . THIS is B/S but i did had a real hard time getting in to a testing center and end up over a 100 miles away from home . Got there late as i got hung up behind a old farmer pullen a baler and two hay wagons behind a JD 530 on one of Ohio's prime hill country two lanes and no place for him to pull off and no place to get around with 5or 6 coal buckets ahead of me and a line of cars we were all stuck for 5 miles at the JD's top speed of 12-15 MPH . When i did get there like i said i was late and everybody was hard at work on there test got chewed out for being late and was told that it is a good thing that he was a nice guy or he could have made me wait for two weeks to get back in . I got my first part of the test and as i was gong to my seat i looked around the room and there were a lot of faces that i knew from my coal haulen days a lot of good old drivers sweating over this DUMB test And yes maybe they were not collage grads or even high school grads but were darn good truck drivers with lots of miles under there belts and good driving records other then overloads . I had heard how hard this test was and how many had not passed it and was realy worried that I may not pass it as i realy never sat down to study for it . So well here goes wright wrong what ever read it over first then went back over it and started putting down my little checks only 100 questions finished up and looked around the room and the rest wre still hard at it , did i miss something check and nope i am done maybe i had better go back over this again as nobody else is done so i go bac over it again and changed ONE answer . Looked back over the room still the same and i know nobody has gotten up to turn in theres yet . Well i might as well be the first . So i get up and take mine up and lay it on the counter , he looks up from what ever he is doing and askes me if i have a question , Nope i am done . He looks around the room and sayes your done ??? yep i am done , he sayes well nobody else is and are you sure you are wright as if not and you fail you can not come back for two weeks , look i am done wright wrong what ever there it is . So he starts to score it and the only question that i got wrong was the one i changed as the first answer was correct . So on to the next part of this test as i did the comb. and kept my air brakes . Now it took me a total of 54 min. to take all three test , but does this mean that i am a better driver then the old guys that had to start worken before they graduated from high school , NOT HARDLY . Alot of good drivers got put off the road because they were no BOOK smart and brought in the NEW AGE of truck drivers that may be book smart but that can not drive just take a look around on the interstates when the weather gets bad . They keep feeding this line to us that there is more trucks on the road here i am having a hard time with this as here where i live at one point in time there were more owner operators then any place not counting company trucks . as back then there use to be JOBS and between the steel ind. the power plants or the rubber industry the coal ind. it took TRUCKS lot of them Now let see the steel ind . is almost dead the coal ind. is DEAD and gone other then a few small deep mines the Rubber ind.is dead and gone . BUT JUST ABOUT EVER TOM DICK AND HARRY have a pick up and a trailer that MAY or may not make a buck with it and now the government want three of the one you may or may not make . And now make it a crime for any of us to go to a tractor pull or a show that we may or not win a five dollar trophie or a dollar plaque sayen that we displayed our toys at such and such show . But it sure has made new jobs for people like Dave now i am not tryen to down grade Dave in any way as WE the ones with these little outlaw trucks and trailers are a real threat to the Government and the days of LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS is slowly coming to and end . IT will not be long that the passport will be needed to cross state lines or as with this DOT deal you are going to start paying to play more then your paying now for your toys. Like haing and IRP plate for your pick up and end up paying for every mile ya drive it pullen the trailer all the records ya will have to keep the audit that you will get along with the fines as your records were not kept correctly . And for you guys that have a bit of a problem with high Blood pressure ya may not be able to get you CDL or have a suger problem . Vary few of ya know what all this will intail but you are about to get a education BIG TIME. Just wait till John Q public starts getting nailed to the cross with there fancy one tone crewcab leather seats power windows DVD player grocery getter toy hauler start getting hammered and there wife gets it IMPOUNDED or a fine . This is all B/S . We the guys and gals that have them for our TOY haulers should be allowed to have a NON COM plating up to 30000 for our personal use as long as it is kept in the guide lines of safety . AND no restrictions on where we travel as long as it is for our owen use like going to pick up a new toy or show or pull . What realy bothers me is seeing someone with a half ton pick up and a trailer haulen something like a Farmall M or a a John Deere A-G down the road as half of them have no idea that that tractor can weigh more then the BOOK SHIPPEN weight and also the way they have them tied down . Now ya haul that tractor behind a 3/4 ton with a good gooseneck and have it Chained down with good chains and loaded correctly whole bunch safer . I am all for safety . And trust me one can never have a load chained down with enough chains .

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Haywood

10-10-2007 20:47:07

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to the tractor vet, 10-10-2007 08:53:23

the tractor vet said: (quoted from post at 08:53:23 10/10/07) And for you guys that have a bit of a problem with high Blood pressure ya may not be able to get you CDL or have a suger problem .

TV...You are absolutely right in that many guys will be totally blindsided.

As I stated once...How many of you truck mechanics are compliant and have all your paper work with you when you Test drive that truck for your service shop???? I bet maybe 1 in 10 has his paper work in order and on his person.
Or has to take a PiZZ test at the scale.
Or proof ownership of the Tractor and trailer he takes to the pulls.

I have been basically taken out of the game with my medical condition.

I have every endorsement except Haz mat. But My medical card Expired and I would be hard pressed to get passed one now.

PS My old Bosses Sons got nailed Bringing 2 new trucks from Portland to Pasco, WA. For the dealership. At the Port of Entry Niether had paperwork or medical cards or proof of insurance. One did have a CDL. Out of service for 24 hours and new drivers had to come get the trucks. They got fined several thousand dollars.

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1206SWMO

10-10-2007 18:37:26

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to the tractor vet, 10-10-2007 08:53:23

TV,you summed it up nicely.Thats pretty much everyones opinion around here.Theres getting to be way too many govt rules and regulations and I dont remember voting on any of them.

I cant remember the last time a pickup pulling a trailer caused a fatality wreck around here.

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10-10-2007 05:49:42

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to john in la, 10-10-2007 05:19:53

1.) A, B, C
2.) You are screwed. Your buddy is not.

Hope this helps.
Mike

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Allan In NE

10-10-2007 05:26:38

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Re: CDL Trivia in reply to john in la, 10-10-2007 05:19:53

If I went out on a Saturday night "for a few drinks", I wouldn't be worth a darned until the following Wednesday afternoon at about 3pm. :>)

Allan

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