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john in la

10-09-2007 06:16:40




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Hello Dave;
I was looking around reserching our state DOT web site this morning to see how I go about spending my $94 to have my finger prints taken and background check done.

ANY WAY I came across some info that I did not know about medical cards.
I thought anyone that needed a CDL needed a medical card but my states web site says differant.

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You are required to have a physical exam and carry a U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) medical certificate if;

You operate a motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) or gross combination weight rating (GCWR) or gross vehicle weight (GVW) or gross combination weight (GCW) of 4,536 kilograms (10,001 pounds) or more in interstate commerce.

So my question is this a federal law or something my state has added. What is the regulations in your state for medical cards???

Thanks

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Grizz

10-09-2007 11:37:41




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to john in la, 10-09-2007 06:16:40  
Again in the seven times I have been pulled over by the DOT with my Chevy 2500 pulling a bobcat, the first thing they ask for is license and medical card. Anything over 10 k TOTAL



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john_bud

10-09-2007 10:37:02




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to john in la, 10-09-2007 06:16:40  
I'm not Dave, but in Wisconsin, if you have USDOT on the side, you need the medical card in your wallet. According to the troopers that I spoke with.

jb



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marlowe

10-09-2007 13:29:42




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to john_bud, 10-09-2007 10:37:02  
you do not need a med. card if you do not leave the state. was stoped today with the dump truck and no card needed. and it was in wi.



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Grizz

10-09-2007 13:51:10




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to marlowe, 10-09-2007 13:29:42  
You DO need a med card.

As a Mn resident I have been stopped seven times. All seven times it was mandatory that I supply them with my med card. I share shop space with other contractors that drive anything from tonners to tandems. ALL HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR THE MED CARD. Must be renewed every two years.



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marlowe

10-09-2007 15:09:33




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to Grizz, 10-09-2007 13:51:10  
well for 34 years they have NEVER asked for a med card and i go over the scale 5 to 8 times a day and get dot about 3 to 5 times a year you don't need one if you stay in state in wi. and school bus drivers don"t need one eather as long as they don't leave the state so med cards might be a minn thing but it's not fed..law as long as you stay in state



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Grizz

10-09-2007 15:40:53




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to marlowe, 10-09-2007 15:09:33  
Are you driving for yourself or working for the state/ city/ county?

Otherwise, you need a health card.



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marlowe

10-09-2007 16:08:58




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to Grizz, 10-09-2007 15:40:53  
self privet Carrier, wife drivers school bus no med cards. and i was just DOT today at 1:30 went over every thing again sent me on my marry way with a little pink slip for a pair of tires that did not pass



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Grizz

10-09-2007 16:13:51




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to marlowe, 10-09-2007 16:08:58  
So your own cops don't even know the law???


Friggin cheeseheads.



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Allan In NE

10-10-2007 04:06:15




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to Grizz, 10-09-2007 16:13:51  
Those DOT boys aren't "cops" by any stretch of the imagination. Their closest connection with law inforcement is a phone, a two-way radio or oftentimes a shared coffee pot.

They are hired simply as walk-ins off the street and have the same job qualifications as the lady weighing your grain/produce down at the local elevator.

They are required to wear that uniform to give the "illusion" of state power. They have no more "authority" than you or I.

Simply state employees just like the road crews, the county clerk and/or the local city jailer.

They are just doing their job of trying to keep the vehicles on the road safe and the asphalt from being over-stressed.

Allan

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john_bud

10-10-2007 20:43:44




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to Allan In NE, 10-10-2007 04:06:15  
Allan,

Your state may be different, but here the DOT guys are typically state troopers. Badge, gun, spiffy hat and all. Even the scale guys (and gals) have the authority to put you in the slammer. If you want your illusions shattered, the WI DOT can possibly do that for you.

The troopers I have spoken to all stated that if the vehicle has a USDOT on it, the person is required to have a medical card, insurance and the whole 9 yards. I don't know if the assumption is that they are also a CDL holder. It's a complex area of the law that dips down into the pool of normal folks that are doing what 99.999% of the population would consider non-commercial stuff.

I have friends that have gotten 12 different answers from people in the DOT, so it's not just us Cheese Heads that are wearing our cheese hats too tight!

jb

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Grizz

10-10-2007 06:35:55




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to Allan In NE, 10-10-2007 04:06:15  
Maybe they are " walk-ons" out in the prairie.

But here in the metro area they are regular cops.
The suburbs train certain officers to be commercial vehicle inspectors ( fundraisers).

And whether it is enforced or not, you DO need a med card if you are driving a commercial vehicle of 10K or more or a combo truck and trailer with the capacity of 10k or more.



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davediehl@hotmail.com

10-09-2007 22:33:41




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to Grizz, 10-09-2007 16:13:51  
The medical card is not a requirement for every driver. The reason is this: in my state, the DOT number does not require the registered driver to operate the combination. Anyone with a regular operators license can operate the combination, even me. This state does not require a medical for regular operators licensing. Now, if you drive a bus with people, then yes, because you fall into the CDL category. So again, your chances of having that request are nill depending on state.

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john in la

10-10-2007 04:49:56




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 10-09-2007 22:33:41  
So you are saying your state only requires a medical card if you have a CDL????
A non CDL driver that is required to have a DOT # does not need a medical card???

That seems to be differant from what I read on my states web site. Seems they have a stricter law than the federal guideline.



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davediehl@hotmail.com

10-10-2007 17:34:54




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to john in la, 10-10-2007 04:49:56  
You are not required to have a medical card here if you do not have a CDL. A regular operators license is all that is needed to operate anything up to 26,001. Once you hit the CDL, yes, until then, no. Any employee can operate the vehicle with the DOT number on the side as long as its under the CDL requirement.
As far as a motor carrier having no authority, I have news for ya. I am a class 1 officer and have been since 1992. I finally took the DOT training this year. If you are on the side of the road and have a warrant, I would be making an arrest. I only know of one motor carrier officer that is not a regular police officer in the entire state. I am also a certified marine officer, meaning everything that the department of natural resources can do, I can as well. Water or land, doesn't matter.

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Curiousness

10-10-2007 17:43:17




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 10-10-2007 17:34:54  
What state????? ???



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davediehl@hotmail.com

10-10-2007 17:55:16




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to Curiousness, 10-10-2007 17:43:17  
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Curiouser

10-10-2007 18:16:24




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 10-10-2007 17:55:16  
I went to the Indiana DOT site and got this;

Requirements for Medical Certification
In the interest of public safety on the highways, Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) regulations require interstate commercial drivers to be medically fit to operate their vehicles safely and competently. You are required to have a physical exam and carry a U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) medical certificate if:

You operate a motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) or gross combination weight rating (GCWR) or gross vehicle weight (GVW) or gross combination weight (GCW) of 4,536 kilograms (10,001 pounds) or more in interstate commerce. You operate a motor vehicle designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, in interstate commerce. You operate a motor vehicle designed or used to transport between nine and 15 passengers, for direct compensation, beyond 75 air miles from your regular work-reporting location, in interstate commerce. You transport hazardous materials in quantities requiring placards, in interstate commerce.

You must carry a current copy of your medical examination certificate with you when you drive. Residents of Mexico or Canada who drive in the United States can be certified by doctors in their countries, provided they meet the U.S. requirements.

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john in la

10-10-2007 21:02:46




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 Re: Question for dave diehl in reply to Curiouser, 10-10-2007 18:16:24  
Got to agree with you Curiouser.

Straight from the In state web site. 49CFR Part 391 is the section that deals with physicals.
I can not find the word CDL mentioned anywhere.
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