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Sid

09-28-2007 20:45:18




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Frome one of your post below, "Where I am located, Master Motor Carrier Officer Dee had towed 5 of these before the word got out and now every one of them are proper with DOT numbers." That comes across to me as "we caught five of them suckers, before the word got out." Seems to me like every one of them could be made "proper with DOT numbers" without what appears to be "muscle flexing"




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davediehl@hotmail.com

09-29-2007 07:39:21




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 Re: With all due respect officer in reply to Sid, 09-28-2007 20:45:18  
I have no reason to "flex" anything. I joined law enforcement in 1992 and have enjoyed every second of what I do. Towing vehicles doesn't make one officer better than any other, but I can tell you from experience that warnings are meaningless. In fact most of them throw them in the trash and wait until you disappear to commit the same violation. In most cases, they take a different road to get to the same place a week later. Those are the ones getting the tow bills. But I'm not opposed of towing vehicles for lack of insurance, which I do with personal cars all the time.

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john in la

09-29-2007 06:56:03




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 Re: With all due respect officer in reply to Sid, 09-28-2007 20:45:18  
On one hand I can see your point; may be he did not word the post correctly.
While there are many officers that will get the big head and flex their muscles; this is often the young and new officers that just got their power.

On the other hand I can tell you warnings do NOT work. These laws have been around for a while when crossing state lines; and the latest changes were in 2006; over a year ago.

Is the area he lives doing enough to warn the public about new law changes or enforcment effords. I do not know because I do not live there. I do not agree with towing the truck. I can only figure they are doing this because it is out of state drivers. Most states will just give a ticket and then if it goes unpaid you are put on the black list. If you ever come back to the state and they find you they will arrest you.

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1206SWMO

09-29-2007 06:44:34




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 Re: With all due respect officer in reply to Sid, 09-28-2007 20:45:18  
You know,that didnt sit real well with me either.I told all my friends at work and they couldnt believe it.DOT has an image problem and doing stuff like this makes it even worse.

I have nothing against officer Dave and would drink a cup of coffee with him.

Having no DOT # isnt a safety violation.Getting towed probably cost each of these guys $200 or more.It looks like a warning ticket would be enough as lots are unaware of all the new DOT rules.At least these lawn care people are working for a living when lots are on welfare.

The rules shouldnt change when you cross a state line.This is the United States Of America or is it?Lots of people live on state lines and cross them daily.A guy that lives in the center of a state is OK and a guy that lives on a state line is screwed!

The longer a country is in existence the more stupid new rules and regulations we seem to have to put up with.

Well its time to go to leave for a tractor show over in Kansas.I'm taking the car so I'll be legal.For fun I'll be looking everyones haulers over to see how legal they are.I'll bet that I see precious few DOT #'s.I'll report back this evening.

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Bryce

09-29-2007 17:21:20




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 Re: With all due respect officer in reply to 1206SWMO, 09-29-2007 06:44:34  
The main problem I have with all of this is,I CANNOT WRITE OFF MY LOSSES, therefore if you read officer daves link the ONLY sentence you can click on is the one that asks which country your COMPANY is in.I AM NOT A COMPANY,as I said before I will let the judge decide whether I am COMMERCIAL or not.Depending on which way he decides I have an awful lot of back reciepts to turn in to the IRS.



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john_bud

09-29-2007 20:35:43




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 Re: With all due respect officer in reply to Bryce, 09-29-2007 17:21:20  
I agree with Bryce!

If the IRS says it's a hobby activity, that should satisfy the traffic courts. It delineates between truckers, people sneaking loads (Hot shot haulers) and people like us that may get a 20$ prize while investing $20,000!

But, I'm not holding my breath waiting to be proved right!
jb



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john in la

09-29-2007 07:06:58




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 Re: With all due respect officer in reply to 1206SWMO, 09-29-2007 06:44:34  
Its a jurisdiction problem. These laws are federal; and the federal government does not have jurisdiction till you cross a state line.

This means nothing to you because both Mo and Ks have adopted federal law for in state trucks.



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johndear

09-30-2007 08:48:44




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 Re: With all due respect officer in reply to john in la, 09-29-2007 07:06:58  
FEDERAL??? Better read that one again. The feds say you are commercial if you are "engaged in commerce". Driving your one ton to the grocery store for more beans and franks is not "engaged in commerce". Pulling your 40 foot Fountain to the lake with your one ton is not engaged in commerce. DOT rules do not apply. Hauling a few tractors to a show shouldn't be any different. It is the states writing tickets. When was the last time you saw a Federal Highway DOT man?? They don't exist, not a ticket writing fashion. It appears most states are picking on anything and everything to help raise money. I hope you find a good judge that actually understands the law. Very few of the fellows writings "DOT" tickets seem to undertand them. As alway, APPEAL you ticket to the head of the state agency that wrote it. I have found in FL the fellows writing the tickets don't always understand what they are writing and their boss will throw the ticket away if you will just call him.

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