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I'm getting too sensitive!

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john_bud

09-28-2007 13:32:02




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Hi,

All the talk and research into CDL's, USDOT number, compensation, commercial vehicle and all has warped me.

I go to the local wally world for stuff this afternoon and on the way get passed by a pretty new Ford F350 diesel with all sort of cutting implements in the bed (weed whackers, chain saws, brush cutters) pulling a 5 ton dump trailer with 3 mowers in it and about 2/3 full of a cut up tree. No USDOT number, normal 8k weight plates on the truck. He was going about 80 when he passed.

I get to Wally world and park next to a fairly new Dodge 4 door 1 ton single axle with a 28' 10 ton gooseneck trailer on the back holding a LARGE tracked skid steer. He was parked long ways across the lines and I was about 5-6 spots down from him. So, I look at the truck, normal plates tagged for 8k truck weight (he's over that!), no DOT number.

On the way home, I see an F150 with the bed full of pumpkins pulling a 20' bumper pull trailer with a double stack of pumpkins. The truck could have doubled as an airport landing light due to the extreme nose up stance. He may have had a couple hundred pounds on the front axle, but I wouldn't bet on it! No numbers on the truck. He was going like a bat out of... too.

I sure hope I can go back to not noticing this stuff pretty soon.

jb

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1206SWMO

09-28-2007 17:58:28




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 Re: I'm getting too sensitive! in reply to john_bud, 09-28-2007 13:32:02  
John,NO one in my part of the country has a DOT # including me.Very few are even aware that one will soon be needed.

There are some stupid people out there pulling trailers.However no DOT #'s are needed.A simple yearly truck and trailer inspection would solve the problem.

They need to be checked for lights,brakes,safety chains,trailer breakaway,tires,adequate truck for the size trailer being pulled,proper truck and trailer liscense,etc.

After this is done you should be legal to travel anywhere in the USA and crossing a state line should mean nothing.Very few of us are commercial haulers and we shouldnt need a DOT #.

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Doug in IL

09-28-2007 18:50:10




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 Re: I'm getting too sensitive! in reply to 1206SWMO, 09-28-2007 17:58:28  
If you aren't commercial, you can ignore all of this. It's as simple as that. Commercial means being engaged in a for profit business on a regular and continuous basis. This implies, among other things, registration of the business with the state. Articles of incoporation. A sales tax number. IRS schedule C 1040 filings etc ect ect. I will continue to haul my old tractors without a DOT number. If I have any problems, I will have one of my lawyers handle the DOT. It will be up to the DOT to prove their case. My lawyers say the DOT won't have much of a case with me, just hauling old tractors that are my personal property. You guys do as you see fit though. Just my opinion.

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Bryce

09-29-2007 17:23:59




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 Re: I'm getting too sensitive! in reply to Doug in IL, 09-28-2007 18:50:10  
Amen. Well said. And thank you.



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Germ

09-28-2007 13:59:21




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 Re: I'm getting too sensitive! in reply to john_bud, 09-28-2007 13:32:02  
I"ve been working on getting in compliance, but information from DOT so limited and calling them a couple of time last winter didn"t get me any further. Supposedly, in my state we"re OK until the first of the year as far as enforcement. I"m preparing to be ready by that date and crossing my fingers and holding my breath in the mean time.

I do the same thing as you, noticing that no one in my area has DOT#s. I"ve been checking just to try to get an idea of what is needed. What bothers me more are all the trailers without working lights, no trailer brakes (you can hear them being applied and released), and no safety chains. I also get nervous when I see no chains/ binders or way undersized chains/ binders.

I think the lack of DOT #s comes from the not knowing that they are even needed. DOT could use the truck registration records to notify all owners that need the numbers. We get a letter listing all of our vehicles when we need to renew our plates. Wouldn"t it make sense for them to include a letter along the lines of, "Mr. Germ, we believe that you have several vehicles that may need DOT #s. Enclosed are the regulations and procedures you need to follow. If you have any questions, please call our toll free line at 1 800 BR 549 and talk to Mrs. Smith, our DOT # specialist. Wait, this is government, I"m day dreaming again.

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Haywood

09-28-2007 15:26:46




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 Re: I'm getting too sensitive! in reply to Germ, 09-28-2007 13:59:21  
Hey Germ, The DOT Commercial enforcement officers and the State Police in most states work out of the same offices.

If I were in your shoes I would visit there office and talk to a commercial enforcement officer and see if they could arrainge a orientation. To go on sight and and look at your equipment and show you what they are lacking and what they need and look for for compliance.



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