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davediehl@hotmail.com

09-27-2007 05:25:03




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This is a link that should get alot of questions answered.




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Mark in Md

09-27-2007 14:23:59




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 09-27-2007 05:25:03  
What frosts me is the RV's. I jumped through all the hoops,got my DOT number,keep the trucks in tip-top shape,and still get hassled at the scales or checkpoints.Last year while being DOT checked for the 3rd time in as many months,a big diesel pusher RV drove past pulling a crewcab 4x4 Ford dually with a 15-18 ft boat on a trailer behind it.I said something to the DOT guy and he just shrugged his shoulder and said its an RV.Maybe I ought to sell the Pete and get a diesel pusher Rv and put a gooseneck behind it

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Weldin man

09-27-2007 08:43:59




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 09-27-2007 05:25:03  
Dave ,if you go to this website the first word that catches my eye on all of these questions is company. If you are not a company,but an individual using this vehicle only for recreation purposes,how can these rules apply?



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Bryce

09-28-2007 06:45:32




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to Weldin man, 09-27-2007 08:43:59  
I have to agree with you.If you click on that link it keeps implying that I am a company,well until I can write off my losses from the pulling and showing I will let the judge decide if a 5$ trophy is actually compensation for the 100$ I spent going to and from.



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davediehl@hotmail.com

09-27-2007 14:22:05




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to Weldin man, 09-27-2007 08:43:59  
Click on the link "commercial motor vehicles" and it will define that for you as well. "This includes any vehicles that you own or lease." You will see the pickup and trailer. This is a general link that covers all 50 states by federal guidelines. I can"t make it any more simple.



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Dave (Tx)

09-27-2007 12:14:46




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to Weldin man, 09-27-2007 08:43:59  
I own a tractor mowing business and answered all the questions posed on the website and it said I did not need to register. So I can haul my tractor, in state (Texas) only, and do not need a DOT number. I don't see how someone hauling it to and from a show would ever need a number.



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Weldin man

09-27-2007 13:40:16




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to Dave (Tx), 09-27-2007 12:14:46  
I think that you are right as long as you stay in your home state, but that is where the problem lies with me, I live right on the state live in a little town where you can't buy a gallon of gas or a loaf of bread.We have to cross the state line to go about anywhere. I guess if I'm driving my 1 ton, I'll have to park at the state line and walk. The the other day the Feds were at the state line checking all diesel vehicles for red fuel.Must have been about 10 of them, but only one was doing all the work, I guess the others were training or they may have been back-up. I think all of us are going to have to learn how to just stay at home.

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the tractor vet

09-27-2007 07:50:52




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 09-27-2007 05:25:03  
Well Dave if they are going to make all of us old boys become DOT compliant to haul our toys to shows or the pulls a couple times a year or buy a tractor or pice of equipment for our owen use i figure that there will be a lot od shopws and pulls thar will not have the turn out that they once had and local vol. fire depts and fairs won't bring in that extra money. Plus the sales of onetons will drop off along with the sales of trailers . Now if WE must fallow these rule then ya just might as well start nailen the guy haulen there golfclubs and carts to the golf courses as how many of them play for MONEY . Then ya better go after the RV's as well as there are way tomany of them that are not able to handle what they are driving or do not have enough truck inft. Of the trailer that they are pullen . For us poor old DUMB guys that want something to do during the summer like going to the pulls or a show and setting under a shade tree B/Sing with other people it cost us a small fortune to do it in fuel and equipment . As for me i have had a Commercial Drivers license for many years and i can drive . Myself i know how to load a load and chain it down . Years ago i went with a one ton and a gooseneck to be safe maken sure that i had enough brake to stop and enough chains and binders to hold a load on carried the triangles a fire extingusher always had spare lites swaped out fuses for circuit breakers split the truck and trailer wiring so if one system failed there was still some lites working till i could get someplace to fix the rest . But we need to upgrade these rules just a littel bit for they guys that just do this for PLAY or hobby or the few of us that do look for the bargin on a pice of equipment out of state . I can agree with the safty factor 100% . As for there thing as for profit like going to the pull and MAYBE winning a 10 dollar trophie thats a laugh . Lets see here load tractor put fuel in tractor 40 bucks , Fuel truck 90 bucks , pull two classes 10-20 bucks ware and tare on truck and trailer 50 bucks two hot dogs and pepsie 5 bucks , yep were maken money Our haul tractor to show depending on distance could COST ya big time . So now with all this new B/S I want to run out and lay out 40000 plus dollars on a new truck and 6-8000 for a new trailer then get commercial ins. for 4-6000 a year to maybe come out to lets say the Portland show for 4-5 days . Back a few years ago you GOOD old boys put the big time hurt on a few friends of mine and put one GOOD equipment sale out of business By hasselen the farmers and yes some of the jockeys . to the point that nobody would come out to his sale . 90% of the farm equipment we farm with came out of your fine state either from Rusty Mc Donalds , Ben Osinski's , or Gary Olson's . Now if you are going to hassel us littel guys for our littel trucks and trailers that's fine ya must not need the money that us littel guys bring in to your local econ. Since when i was at the sales i must have been willing to pay more for the stuff then the locals would have other wise i would have been coming home empty instead of a fully loaded trailer . They need to redo it for the guys that just do it for enjoyment of the sport if you want to call it a sport or pleasure and move the weigth limit up to 30000lbs . Myself i would much rather see guys haulen there toys on a truck and trailer that has the better brake and haulen cap. then guys tryen to haul something to big for the truck and trailer . But also make them fallow the same Safty reg. as far as the triangles and fire ext. the G70 chains along with the 4 point tiedown . As for the com. ins. most of us have good ins. and i know i am ins. poor tryen to cover my donkey . As for log books or time sheets that has been the biggest joke since the dawn of time . Driven a big truck is the only job in the world that that anybody with a badge an gun and knife can screw with ya and the only job that you can self incriminate yourself. Now being that you are a DOT officer and i doubt that you have ever had a seat time there is a whole ball game when your setting 6 foot off the ground then 2 foot off the ground . So it boils down to this what your sayen to all us tractor nuts or tractor puller and farmers that ya don't want us coming out to your fine state with our littel trucks and trailer unless we get a DOT # and open our houses up to anybody with a badge a gun and knife so they can come in with out much warring and go over the mounds of paper work that nobody realy knows how to keep compliant and pay out huge fines because we made a mistake and oh wait i forgot that last week i replace that tail lite on the trailer and did not mark it down OR i did and oil change and did not show where i disposed of the two gallon of oil and i got a fine for that yep just makes me want to run out and get a DOT # . I have seen first hand what happens when ya do . So it boils down to like i said all these new reg. will come back and bit ya in the end in loss of moneyfor local econ . As for me i can save a ton by just parken my truck and trailer and droppen the ins. and plated maybe i can find some unsupecting person to buy it for big bucks and let him play the BIG BROTHER GAME.

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1206SWMO

09-27-2007 19:27:19




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to the tractor vet, 09-27-2007 07:50:52  
TV,I gotta agree with all of what you said.I dont know why DOT thinks us little guys have to run under the same laws as the big rigs.Its getting unreal.

I thought that this was the United States Of America.Now it sounds like crossing a state line is like going in to a foreign country.Maybe we all should just park our vehicles if they are going to regulate us to death.

Theres going to be a public outcry when they try to enforce this stupid DOT law.A great many are still unaware of it.Why should vehicles be towed at a great expense to the owner just because they have no DOT number?This isnt a safety violation.

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Dick L

09-27-2007 09:57:24




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to the tractor vet, 09-27-2007 07:50:52  
Your point was well made T V but don't come down to hard on Dave.

If you hired a helper to milk cows and the cows didn't get milked and the reason was that the helper you hired was sleeping in the hay mow you would probably put the helper out of a job.



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the tractor vet

09-27-2007 10:40:13




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to Dick L, 09-27-2007 09:57:24  
Ya'll don't get me wrong here as i don't know the man and i realy did not mean to come down on him as a person . Ever since this SOCALLED CDL came into affect and the NEW area of trucking started things have gone down hill . I would say that i have some insight on this as for how many years i have run up and down the road . And every year they do something else to mess with ya . And do you as one person have a say -----NO !!!!! !did you vote for this ----NO , is this going to cost you YES BIG TIME . (05 of ya have know idea what it will end up costing you and will you be legal NO don't care how hard ya try or how well ya keep up with you rig or the paper work . IF ya think i am joking just come around here and ask some of the guys that had the pleasure of a DOT audit . All of us guys that love to play with or big toys do it for the love of it , and ok so we decide to sell off one or two tractors to make room for something new and we make a littel on the sale SO i guess they need to try us in court convect us and hang us at dawn because we may have made a couple bucks . IF they are going to hammer on us then they had best hammer on all golf carts boats ATV's . Or maybe we all should go out and dump our pick up and one tons and buy up all the old largecars with big bunks add a fridg. a stove a sink and a potty and and a 53 foot step deck plate them RV and when we go to the show or pulls load the tractors and a small car or pick up take the wife the dog cat gold fish and canarrie.OR we all stand together FOR ONCE and just don't go to the shows or pulls at all just leave them parked for a year then let the sponsor of the fairs , show and pulls raise holy heck because nobody came . Just think if nobody went to the Portland show and it was all planed and nobody showed up because they did not want to pay a donation to the state of ind. Lets say that you moven you kid to collage with you new One ton that has a 11000 GVW and ya have the bed full and pullen a trailer loaded to the max and ya get nailed as ya can not believe what one kid has to haul off to school these days , I know when my youngest finishes up it will take the better part of a 53 102 freight box to haul it home . It has plum gotten out of hand and how much longer will it be before the check points go up at the state line and the armed guards have to check you pass port and your permission slip to crossover ???? THe only way to change the DUMB laws is that we all have to stand together and fight them , but i know that that will never happen because it is the same in trucking and farming you could not get two farmer or two truck drivers to stand together for 5 seconds on one issue . So boys go wright ahead and get your DOT #'s then go to all the classes that are offered to learn how to comply with the paper work open your doors for the audit and have big bucks in the bank to cover the fines as you will get them and also keep track of every mile you drive as they will want paid for them even though ya did not pull that trailer all that much you will have to prove that ya didn't. And also think about how much less fuel taxes they would not get IF we just parked our toys Dropped all but fire and theft on our truck and trailers did not buy plates for them . All this is in our hands and it up to us as to how we handel it . Dave i did not mean to come down on you persay as i have never had the pleasure one way or the other.

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Haywood

09-27-2007 11:22:32




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to the tractor vet, 09-27-2007 10:40:13  
Hey TV, As you well know being a Heavy Truck mechanic these days requires being compliant with CDL, another big can of worms.



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the tractor vet

09-27-2007 13:14:55




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to Haywood, 09-27-2007 11:22:32  
Yes i know just one more thing to worry about , had one guy tryen to tell me that i did not know how to adjust brakes , Hummmmm . Now on these new engines with computer well ok i don't have the scan tools to check them out but doing a brake job or fixen lites if ya have half a brain ya cna do it but oh no ya have to be certified give me a break ok so maybe i am not up on the ASE cert. but does that mean that i do not know how it is done and like i have never done a brakejob on a car or truck . OR that i can't rebuild and engine transmission or rearends on a car or any pice of equipment . Myself i am probablymore fussy then some guy tryen to make a living flaterate in a shop as it is my arrs that is on the line here . Back in the GOOD OLD DAYS of the OUTLAW COAL HAULERS and before the Jake Brake came on the seen ya knew real fast if ya needed to grab your 9/16 wrench and hammer and snug up the brakes After ya scraped your shorts out . I figure that my master tech cert. are a bit out of date since i left the dealers back in 74 . Every year the gov. takes one more freedom away or shove some new rule down our throats. And i got my arrs shot up in Vahm for this along with the kids of today fighten on two different lands yea i love this country.

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john in la

09-27-2007 06:24:07




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 09-27-2007 05:25:03  
I will assume you are a Indiana DOT officer from your scaned brochures. Per your link Indiana is NOT a state that governs intrastate movement of private carriers.

So how is it that your grass cutter with his mowers is not in compliance.

Yes he weighs over 10,000 lbs but he stays totally within your state. Yes he makes money from the mowers moving but is not paid for the actual move. In other words he is a private carrier hauling his own tools. He does have gas but not enough that would require plackards so he is not a hazmat carrier.

Help me understand this better.

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davediehl@hotmail.com

09-27-2007 08:31:46




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 Re: DOT Link in reply to john in la, 09-27-2007 06:24:07  
These guys have the names on the doors of the trucks that I am dealing with currently. I am in the corner of 3 states where they travel over state lines from neighboring communities as well.



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