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Some trailer questions

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Dave (Tx)

08-29-2007 11:37:47




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First I'd like to thank Kim and YT for providing this forum. I have a few questions regarding tractor hauling. I run a tractor mowing business and thus regularly transport my 8N and 5 foot shredder on a 16 foot trailer.

The trailer came wired with a 4 wire light setup that plugged into my 2000 Ford F-150's factory trailer light outlet. However if I turn on the headlights the trailer's brake lights come on. When I hit the brakes the lights go out. They seem to work correctly for the blinkers. what is a good place to have the wiring checked and corrected? I'm figuring an RV sales place perhaps.

I load my tractor using a ramp. The ramps cause the trailer to almost bottom out in back and since I have to have it hooked to the pickup in order for it not to roll the rear of the pickup will be pulled up high into the air (though not coming off the wheels). Does this hurt the pickup? It doesn't seem to.

FInally I bought a 5000 lb. winch which I plan to attach to the front of the trailer to use should the tractor ever become disabled. I figure I'm pulling about 2800 - 3000 lbs of tractor and bushog. Do you figure this is enough considering it is coming up about a 25 degree ramp incline?

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jason, NW Ontario

08-30-2007 20:02:25




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 Re: Some trailer questions in reply to Dave (Tx), 08-29-2007 11:37:47  
Your trailer should be blocked in the back end when loading the tractor. My uncle's trailer rides like crap now because the rear axle has had too much stress when loading/unloading without blocking. But as least he's running a Duramax 3/4 ton - don't feel much with that, compared with 1/2 ton. I agree that while the wiring is getting looked at, might as well jump in with both feet and fully replace with proper 7-hole wiring and get some brakes for that rig - might save your life.
Jay

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Oldmax

08-30-2007 04:48:25




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 Re: Some trailer questions in reply to Dave (Tx), 08-29-2007 11:37:47  
In the first place you should be using a 7 pin plug . and the trailer should have brakes on a trailer that size . I use a crank up jacks on back of trailer when loading larger tractors . sounds like you have grounding problems with lights .



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KEH

08-29-2007 16:47:07




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 Re: Some trailer questions in reply to Dave (Tx), 08-29-2007 11:37:47  

Dave,

On the lights, 3 possibilities come to mind. First, you may have a bad ground. A lot of light problems are caused by grounding problems. Check to see that the trailer has a ground wire, connected, and making good contact. There is also supposed to be a ground connection on the truck. Second, there may be an insulation problem on some of the wires in either the truck wireing going to the trailer connector or the same type of problem in the trailer wireing causing the current to cross over.
Third, the trailer wireing may not be connected to the right pins in the 4 way plug. I don't know how to use the tester mentioned in the other post, but what I have done is to use a test light with probe and alligator clip. Turn lights on, put clip on truck bumper or frame, put probe in truck outlets until light comes on. Do same for brake lights and turn signals. This will tell you which pins on connector power which lights. Then, using probe and alligator clips, connect pin on truck to pin on trailer and see if corresponding lights work. Be aware that the light bulb in the trailer lights has a brighter filament for brakes and turn signals and a dimmer one for the lights. Be sure the turn signals are coming on bright and the tailights not so bright.
Hope I haven't confused things, trailer lights are not my favorite thing to work on and I'm not good at it.

KEH

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supera3

08-29-2007 15:03:02




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 Re: Some trailer questions in reply to Dave (Tx), 08-29-2007 11:37:47  
ALWAYS block under the rear of the trailer,or in ky. back up to a bank or mound of dirt and block the trailer wheels! I think the most panic I ever saw was loading a 9000 ford on my 20' goosoneck, narrow driveway, slight down slope,truck in gear, front wheels lifted the back of truck, then the fun started, went about 250'before I got the tractor far enough to bring the traler back down. I did not know tall,wide& heavey that tractor was. It's not been loaded since!

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old

08-29-2007 12:50:04




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 Re: Some trailer questions in reply to Dave (Tx), 08-29-2007 11:37:47  
You need to block the rear of the trailer in some way to stop it from dropping down like it does, yes its hard on the truck because of the hard bounce it gets. Plus in the wrong place truck and tractor could go rolling which would also not be good. As far as the rest Sound has told you the info you need. But I will also say BRAKES and very good to have on it even if your just hauling an 8N which by its self is around 2500lbs then the trailer thats another ton so your pulling almost as much weight behind you as what the trucks weight is. Then add the mower and your problebly pulling more

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soundguy

08-29-2007 12:10:30




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 Re: Some trailer questions in reply to Dave (Tx), 08-29-2007 11:37:47  
You can get a 4 pin brake light anylizer for a few bucks at most places that sell trailer wire adapters.. Napa.. autozone, TSC.. etc.

Get it if you think your trailer lighting is wonky.

Also.. Now would be a good time to think about adding electric brakes to your trailer to help in emergency stops or just general driving. Good trailer brakes on large load can help prevent (brown alerts ).

Carry a piece of timber with you.. old stump.. whatever you can manhandle that is just about 1/2" shy o fthe trailer bottom when you set it on the ground under the rear of the trailer. That way when you drive up on, the trailer can only squat about 1/2 to 1" and not lift your truck up. I know a guy that did this and his truck rolled away and crashed... he was also inthe business to mow and that day he did 1800$ damage to his truck.. PLUS the stuf he rolled over at the end of the hill. Not a good day of work when you lost a weeks pay or so..??

Yor winch should be fine for that rolling load. if in doubt, you can also keep a cheapy come-along on the truck. They make hard non powered loads easy(er).. or at least possible...

Just make sure it is attached somewhere stout enough to take that 3-4 thousand pounds of pull.. etc.. A piece of unsupported 2" or 3' angle iron will deform FAST under that pull...

Soundguy

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