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Phil

03-13-2000 08:41:59




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What is the best welder for novice welder to buy for use with old tractors, etc. I have never welded but intend to take a class and have been reading. I have a workshop with 200 amps of service. So far I have farmed out welding jobs, but getting tired of that.




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Fred

03-15-2000 15:25:47




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 Re: First Welder in reply to Phil, 03-13-2000 08:41:59  
I'll agree with bbot on this one. I believe I'd go ahead and get the machine now, so you can come home and practice a little more at night and be one of the best welders in the class. I would however get the AC-DC machine, probably a little Lincoln, less than $400. Can't beat them for the money. Tyler bought himself an AC variable speed welder and I think he's gonna take some classes if I remember right.

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bbott

03-15-2000 13:31:43




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 Re: First Welder in reply to Phil, 03-13-2000 08:41:59  
Ok, all the following is opinion !

Well, I figure that you'll want to practice at home while you're taking that class... (I did)

Realistically speaking, the most bang for the buck is a simple AC buzzbox.. I'd get a Miller as my first choice... 50 to 220 amps or thereabouts will cover most anything you'd want to do.

If you want to spend the bucks $$ you can get an AC/DC welder... but with the modern electrodes that are available, having DC isn't quite the issue it used to be.

But do look for "infinite" amperage adjustment as a very desirable feature.

I.M.H.O. Wire welders are absolutely great for production work, but the stick machine gives you more flexibiity.. as you'll find out, there are about a million different types/mfg's of rod out there...you can spend a lifetime trying them all, but will probably settle on a few as your bread and butter.

Also, If you go stick, you can buy a 'little bit' of any given type to try out. It's also a lot quicker to to stick a different rod in as opposed to changing wire....

At any rate...more free advice

Watch your ventilation.. welding fumes are not that good for your lungs...

Watch for fire. If given the opportunity, a welder will set everything burnable on fire for about a 1 mile radius !

Protect your eyes at ALL times.

Don't get UV burns.. get a chin
flap for your helmet, gauntlet gloves.

Watch that hot metal. It's easy to get burned handling it AFTER you've
welded.

Keep the kids away if they aren't old
enough to be aware and wearing protection.
(I struck my first arc at age 5)

Have fun. Best of luck.

Oh, by the way.. That 200 amps at 220V converted
to welding voltage equals about 1800 amps.
(i.e. you've got plenty of power at the shop)


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Jerry

03-14-2000 16:01:18




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 Re: First Welder in reply to Phil, 03-13-2000 08:41:59  
If you can, the welding classes would be great. I want to take some classes but haven't had the opportunity yet.

I would recommend a good quality wire welder with a gas setup. I read a fair amount before pulling the trigger. After about 1 hour of trial and error on various projects, I can lay a decent bead. The wire welders seem easier to start with (as compared to a stick welder) and no slag to bang off when you're done welding.

Good luck

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Steve U.S. Alloys

03-14-2000 06:30:19




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 Re: First Welder in reply to Phil, 03-13-2000 08:41:59  
Phil,
Hank gave you excellent advice. If you take the class first you will have a better understanding of what welding process/processes is best suited to your particular needs. Each process has it's advantages and disadvantages depending on many variables such as; number of different types of metals encountered, location of typical application(inside,outside,high in the air etc.), material thickness, skill level of available operators, cleanliness of base material, similar or dissimilar combinations of metals just to name a few. When dealing with suppliers, a good supplier will generally follow up your question with questions of their own. A good saleperson IMHO does more listening and asks more questions in ratio to just talking. My company specializes in helping to solve problems encountered in repair welding situations. Please consider viewing my site at http://www.usalloysweldtech.com if at some point you need help along those lines.
Steve

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Do the class first

03-13-2000 16:34:26




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 Re: First Welder in reply to Phil, 03-13-2000 08:41:59  
Phil- Recommend you do the welding class first. Community college or equipment vendor, whatever... Either way you'll get good local area information and some times there will be a "spl. deal" on the machines used in class for the students, to keep latest model new machines in the classroom. Snoop around a bit and it'll be worth your while. Good luck! IHank



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