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bbott

01-21-2000 15:30:56

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I'm shopping for a metal cutting bandsaw. Something up to about 6x12 cutting capacity (+-@90 degrees) coolant and mitering capability.

It looks like the American made stuff starts at about $1,000... Chinese at about $500...

Does anyone out there have any commentary on what kinda luck you've had with the foreign stuff...brands/suppliers...

I know that some of the woodworking stuff from Grizzly has been pretty decent...

(..besides buy American, ...soapbox follows...
I know we are only foolin' ourselves in the long run by buying foreign junk but my wallet's not that fat and it's hard to talk myself into spending a grand... ...unfortunately decent used bandsaws aren't too common around here either..

If you think I'm best off biting the bullet and spending the money up front, just say so, maybe it will help ease the pain...)

I've been spoiled by working in a fab shop with a $10,000 full hydraulic feed Marvel.. but I obviously can't swing that kinda cash on 80 acres of Angus. This year a new roof on the barn ate all the profits.

best regards,

bbott

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Charles Parker

04-25-2002 09:15:43

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Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to bbott, 01-21-2000 15:30:56

I need a band saw that will cut thin aluminum .025 sheets of 12" by 24" any suggestions?
charlie p

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Ron Rogers

08-02-2001 16:13:41

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Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to bbott, 01-21-2000 15:30:56

Need transmission or gears for a Carolina HD10 Could you please advise on how I would go about finding one. Thanks.

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bbott

01-23-2000 07:25:28

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Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to bbott, 01-21-2000 15:30:56

Thank you all for your comments. Helps a lot.

I'm intrigued by that low rpm cold cut saw...

After thinking things over, I think the reality of my situation is that 4x6 tubing would be all I'd really have to handle through the saw... and that makes the cold saw a real possibility...

I can always use a torch on the bigger stuff. (Ill, just put the pinking shear tip on... )

My immediate project is making 3 ROPS for the
tractors and the backhoe... Other usage will be
making about (10) heavy gates... (The bulls turn
the lighweight stuff to pretzels in short order.)

Thanks again..

PS to Jim L. No, (sigh) haven't got the starboard brakes yet, but.. I did get the charging system working again (one small victory at a time)

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Douglas Stockman

01-23-2000 03:44:04

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Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to bbott, 01-21-2000 15:30:56

I too am interested in more information about a small band saw. I just do some puttering around the yard building small implements, etc. for my Farmall A. Presently I am using a 4 inch angle grinder to do all cuts on angle iron, square and rect. hollow stock. From my perspective, even a small Grizzy type band saw would be a major step up from an angle grinder. Is this thinking crazy given the above scenario? Thanks for all opinions.

Douglas Stockman
Rochester, NY

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bbott

01-23-2000 07:32:56

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Re: Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to Douglas Stockman, 01-23-2000 03:44:04

Doug, I have a 14" abrasive chop
saw, it works fine for most stuff and
It will be a world better than using
the angle grinder !

Where the chop saw doesn't seem to do so well is
with tubing or other steel shapes where
you are trying to work against a big surface area.

For angles, channel etc. where you can position the steel so you're not trying to cut a wide surface, it's really pretty quick...

It seems if you can keep enough pressure on a small cut area, the steel is actually melting just
ahead of the wheel from the heat of the cut..goes pretty quick under the right combination of area and pressure.

You do have to mind the sparks and noise though....and if I hog mine too much it will blow a 20 amp fuse.

bbott

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01-23-2000 06:57:21

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Re: Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to Douglas Stockman, 01-23-2000 03:44:04

In response to Doug, look at an abrasive chop saw. They always cut straight,the blade don't fall off like a cheap band saw. Very portable, around $200.
You don't have to be as careful about ruining blades as you do with a bandsaw,angle vise,cuts hardened material. Drawbacks are large burrs to remove,workpiece becomes hot,sparks flying.

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01-22-2000 13:46:47

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Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to bbott, 01-21-2000 15:30:56

I agree with Bill that Ellis is a descent unit and you don't have to swing the stock out into the middle of the shop.

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Fred Martin

01-22-2000 12:25:51

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Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to bbott, 01-21-2000 15:30:56

Hi bbot from Fred I'll take the other road if I don't get any flack from it, that's what you were interested in. I have tried the foreign made saws 7 x 12" type and they seem to be okay for a small shop, but I wouldn't want to try to use it 8 hours a day and expect it to last like american quality will. They occasionally need new roller bearings (for saw guides) $5 a pop x 4 and reverse the backup bearings. Weighs about 300+ lbs. The carbon steel blades are okay for $10-12 and bi-metal (HSS) for the longer runs. Carbon steel is best if you don't know what your cutting and knock the teeth off it. I told skeptical neighbor to buy one and he says it cuts crooked. Looked at blade and he had set off one side of blade. I'll give him a hundred for it sometime and laugh going home. I been down saw road and Kalamazoo 816 or 1024 is best there is in my mind for small shop, you will pay for it though. Don't buy the small foreign one with the 1/2" blade, they're rinkey-dink. I used one once and knew then why we won the war. Fred from the Mung Factory

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Jim in N M

01-21-2000 18:48:48

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Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to bbott, 01-21-2000 15:30:56

Bruce--Before you buy a Horiz. band saw---Call Gene Ansman @ Doringer @ 1/800/962/6800 ext.19 they have a 14"cold saw,that turns 52 rpm's that rite--52 rpm's water/oil cooled that will cut 25,000 cuts before the blade needs resharpening, American made in Cal.I've had a "Startrite" band saw,and I gave it away when I got my Doringer--and the one I gave away cost new 3500.00 this new saw cuts steel like soft butter and comes complete with cabinet ,tools extra blade,cutting oil.It leaves the metal burr clean, and best of all it cuts fast--20 times faster than a band saw I'd get rid of my wife before I'd get rid of my saw !! Call Them for a brosure. The only extra I bought was a "Cam lock" vice,and they give you credit for the original vice Jim PS did you get those brakes fixed yet ?

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Bill From Ontario

01-22-2000 08:57:20

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Re: Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to Jim in N M , 01-21-2000 18:48:48

Cold saws are definately good machines but for the money, and general all around use you are limited by the cutting capacity For a 14" cold saw, the capacities are;
round 4 7/8"
round @45 4 3/8"
square 4 3/8"
rectangular 5 1/2" x 4"
solid 2"

10" x 11" bandsaw capacities;
round 10"
flat 11"
round@45 6 3/4"
flat@45 7"

The bandsaw gives the ability to cut larger material, as well as cut bundled material, saving time. But ultimately, it depends on your usage.

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Bill From Ontario

01-21-2000 16:37:51

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Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to bbott, 01-21-2000 15:30:56

Wow 6x12 mitering metal cutting bandsaws for $1000! How can I get into this fantasy world?
Seriously, give these people a call, and have them send you some brochures. They make a few nice portable saws, that convert to verticle when needed. The best thing about them is that the head swivels 45 deg. each way and the vice stays put. I've had one for ten years now, and the only thing that gives it problems are 6x6 solids 4x4 solid steel cut on a 45. I do prefer to Hyd-Mech and Do-all saws though, but they're not in the price range, unless you can find a used one.

Ellis Mfg. Co., Inc.

P.O. Box 930219

Verona, WI 53593-0219

(608)-845-6472; (800)-383-5547

Fax: (608)-845-5199

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johnny walker

03-21-2000 18:45:37

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Re: Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to Bill From Ontario, 01-21-2000 16:37:51

i have a do all contour machine model #9613-0 serial #278-71323 THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SELL IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED SEND ME EMAIL [email protected] THANKS

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wayne neff

01-19-2001 13:24:02

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Re: Re: Re: Advice on Metal Cutting Band Saws... in reply to johnny walker, 03-21-2000 18:45:37

would anyone be so kind to e-mail me a general rule of thumb on the rpm of a band saw cutting various types of metal ferrous & non, aluminum, brass, copper, ect.
thanks wayne

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