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MIKE LANGRAN

01-17-2000 06:06:13

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any info out there on setting up small work shop (24x24), this is the first real shop thats suppose to be a shop and shop only, its actually got a cement floor too.

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dave

01-31-2000 07:13:47

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Re: setting up a new shop in reply to MIKE LANGRAN, 01-17-2000 06:06:13

Mike,
Looked everywhere for the Hot Rod magazine that features "Tools & Dream Shops", with no luck. Apparently the newsstands in the local area don't track by that 3539-3 #. Could you email me the magazine name and month. I just constructed a 28x48 garage and am getting ready to put up the interior steel skin and am planning for electrical, heat, air lines, shop set-up (welding, etc.) I really would appreciate the help.

Thanks

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ldurbin

01-21-2000 08:35:40

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Re: setting up a new shop in reply to MIKE LANGRAN, 01-17-2000 06:06:13

I did the following:
1. Pegboard on all walls so as little as possible is on floor for easy cleanup.
2. Phone for easy communication and internet access.
3. Plenty of outlets including overhead.
4. Large and small vise.
5. Large and small lazy susans for parts storage.
6. Insulated well and installed propane heater. 7. Comfortable chairs and refrigerator so the 'experts' can visit.

I plan to as money allows: 1. Paint the floor for easier clean.
2. Air conditioning maybe.
3. Bathroom. 4. Big vacuum system to keep things neat and safe.
Note, I bought surplus steel shelving and pegboard at auction from a Walmart being relocated at 10 cents on the dollar.

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Steve Hansen

01-20-2000 22:29:45

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Re: setting up a new shop in reply to MIKE LANGRAN, 01-17-2000 06:06:13

You need adequate electrical service and not a bunch of outlets on one or two circuits. A 60 amp/220 service will support lights, a compressor, a welder, and adequate utility outlets in most shops.

As for compressors, look for something with a 30 gallon tank minimum. 60 is better. Tank size is not expensive. Compressor capacity is. A 60 gallon tank with a relatively small compressor will give you lots of air when you need it at relatively low cost. I made the mistake of buying a relatively small compressor on a 20 gallon roll around tank and found myself running out of air at times. Upgraded to a 60 gallon tank with a 5 hp motor and two cylinder compressor. Bought it used for $275.00. We have a shop in town that sells and services compressors. I told them what I wanted and they called me when they got one in on trade. Also see them advertised in the paper now and then. Stay away from oil less or oil free compressors. They don't have the service life that cast iron cylinder oil lubricated compressors have. The oil is not a problem unless you are going to paint and if you do you will need a filter anyway.

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MIKE LANGRAN

01-21-2000 05:37:47

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Re: Re: setting up a new shop in reply to Steve Hansen, 01-20-2000 22:29:45

thank you much, do you think this new machinery, like the compressors, is better or worse than the old machinery?

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Bubhu

01-20-2000 08:26:14

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Re: setting up a new shop in reply to MIKE LANGRAN, 01-17-2000 06:06:13

Best thing to put in the new shop is what I finally put in mine last year. BEER REFRIGERATOR!!

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catblaster

01-18-2000 18:03:48

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Re: setting up a new shop in reply to MIKE LANGRAN, 01-17-2000 06:06:13

Mike, as luck would have it I just bought a Hot Rod Mag at the local supermarket titled TOOLS & DREAM SHOPS. Good book, lots of ideas and things I never thought of. It's from peterson publishing, book # 3539-3. The only thing I don't agree with in the mag is using PVC for air piping.

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Burrhead

01-19-2000 11:32:04

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Re: Re: setting up a new shop in reply to catblaster, 01-18-2000 18:03:48

I thought bad about the pvc air pipes before I tried it. The PVC works really good, is cheaper to use and is easier to work with. I like it for air lines. Just be sure to run the lines up on a wall instead of around the bottom edge of the wall. Before we moved these lines up from floor there was some aggravation from hot welding slag and torch slag burning holes in it.
The schedule 40 holds 175 lbs of air good, I don't know how much it will stand above that much pressure tho.

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catblaster

01-19-2000 17:02:50

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Re: Re: Re: setting up a new shop in reply to Burrhead, 01-19-2000 11:32:04

Hey Burr, although I didn't witness the accidens first hand I did see the results of one and our company got a multi-mill job because of another. The first incident was a pressure test on 2" sch 40 at 150 lbs. the pipe ruptured next to the test valve and went over 300 feet into the jobsite according to the Inspector checking the test. The other also was a test, on 6" sch 40 pvc, I don't know the pressure but a laborer was killed and the contractor lost the job. According to manufactures literature pvc should not be used for air piping and only tested at low pressure. However, I have considered cpvc because it is less brittle and will split like steel instead of shattering. Sorry this is so long. Will

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Burrhead

01-20-2000 14:06:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: setting up a new shop in reply to catblaster, 01-19-2000 17:02:50

Mine did all the ruptures within a week of putting the pipe in and since then no problems. It makes me wonder if it was from the torch and welder or just from pressure. I've got something else to worry about now. I'm thinking that perhaps the pipe I have will shatter anytime now.

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big fred

01-19-2000 14:30:44

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Re: Re: Re: setting up a new shop in reply to Burrhead, 01-19-2000 11:32:04

Burrhead, the problem as I understand it is if they burst, they tend to shatter and throw sharp shards of PVC around, where copper or steel pipe will tend to just split and make a racket. I've never seen PVC shatter like that, but have heard stories, and that was enough to convince me not to use it.

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Burrhead

01-20-2000 14:09:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: setting up a new shop in reply to big fred, 01-19-2000 14:30:44

I had'nt heard that. I thank you and catblaster for mentioning it. Maybe mine was just naturally exploding instead of the torch and welder causing them to burst.

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jim

01-17-2000 23:49:38

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Re: setting up a new shop in reply to MIKE LANGRAN, 01-17-2000 06:06:13

Put in more elect. outlet than you think you will need at the present, including the ceiling for lighting or elect. reels. You might want condsider your air piping before you start putting in work benches or shelves or whatever. Also pet peeve of mine, make sure all work benches , etc. have a door or drawers or something so when ya drop that carb. screw it doesn't roll off to netherland (its dark under there).

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Jerry

01-18-2000 16:29:02

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Re: Re: setting up a new shop in reply to jim, 01-17-2000 23:49:38

Good comments re: electrical duplexes...you can't have too many. Think about plumbing for compressed air lines as suggested. What form of heat are you using, if you plan to heat the shop? How about an old stereo for some music while you work?

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mike langran

01-19-2000 15:53:28

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Re: Re: Re: setting up a new shop in reply to Jerry, 01-18-2000 16:29:02

what type and brand of compressor should i use, i dont plan on on heavy duty work.

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Mark in Austin

01-19-2000 21:03:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: setting up a new shop in reply to mike langran, 01-19-2000 15:53:28

While the Sears Craftsman air compressors are not perfect, they are just fine for your needs. Their 110V 5HP (or 5.5HP) upright model would be a nice fit. It is about $300, less if on-sale.

Mark V.S. in Austin, TX

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