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Stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder

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Tyler(WA)

01-12-2000 14:13:09




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A friend brought me his loader cylinder off his A/C "B" and we can't get the end cap/front seal off. We have a spanner wrench but it won't
budge. The end cap appears to be aluminum and the tube is steel. How do I free it up?

Any help would be appreciated.




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bbott

01-12-2000 16:41:06




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 Re: stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder in reply to Tyler(WA), 01-12-2000 14:13:09  
Gently now...

Plan 'A'

Easy heat (just get it hot to touch) followed by some KROIL, Rust-Solv or whatever is your
penetrating oil of choice.. Some gentle tapping
with a hammer may help here.. (not pounding)

Let it cool. As it cools, it will try and suck
the oil into the threads (as best it can anyway)
Be sure to let it cool all the way down.

Repeat plan 'A' a couple times. (or more) In a hurry ? go to plan 'B' below.

Try the wrench again. If the cylinder is not 'expendable'(i.e. you don't want to destroy it)
and it still doesn't go, go to Plan 'B'

Plan 'B' take it to a local CAT or Hydraulic shop.. they deal with stuff like this everyday and if they are any good, they will have the experience to get it off without destroying anything.

Just my 2 cents.

bbott

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Dick L

01-12-2000 14:44:09




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 Re: stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder in reply to Tyler(WA), 01-12-2000 14:13:09  
Tyler, I never had one off. but I have one or two out back, rusty as all get out, if I get time in next few days I'll try one and get back to you. I will start with a fire wrench first. If it is aluminum and oxidised bad I'll will most likely strip the threads in the aluminum cap. I think that the aluminum expands at a faster rate then the steel cyl. tube. I'm takeing your word that the cap is aluminum because I don't have the foggiest. I like my fire wrence and welding gloves. If you turn heat to it I know you will make sure that the inlet and outlets are open.

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clooney

01-12-2000 15:20:20




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 Re: Re: stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder in reply to Dick L, 01-12-2000 14:44:09  
Dick, be careful with the blue tip wrench, if you get it hot enough to ignite the oil in the cyl. you have an industrial sized pipe bomb.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

01-13-2000 05:12:20




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 Re: Re: Re: stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder in reply to clooney , 01-12-2000 15:20:20  
Ditto.



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Dick L

01-12-2000 16:33:47




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 Re: Re: Re: stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder in reply to clooney , 01-12-2000 15:20:20  

You are correct, but not if you don't plug the oil inlets or outlets. You might get fire shooting out the outlet holes a little but no bang. Don't look in the holes to see if your missig something or you might. This aint for you Tyler I know you know better.



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big fred - I dunno....

01-12-2000 17:17:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder in reply to Dick L, 01-12-2000 16:33:47  
After hearing about his New Years party... ;o)



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Tyler(WA)

01-13-2000 07:35:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder in reply to big fred - I dunno...., 01-12-2000 17:17:01  
Thanks to everyone for the help and cautions. I have the ports open and the cylinder drained as best I can. There doesn't appear to be any corrosion on the plug but it is a dis-similar metal so I'd expect some in the threads.

I'll keep working with the heat cycling and try to get it free but if not, I'll take it into a hydraulic shop rather than risk damage to the tube. I'm using a Turbo propane tourch rather than a "blue tip" wrench, for two reasons. One, I don't have a blue tip wrench yet, and two, my turbo propane tourch puts out plenty of heat. The only thing I need Oxy/Accetelene for is cutting and I'd prefer not to do any of that on this job. It's a real handy tool though and I'm meaning to get one.

Thanks again, I'll keep you posted on the progress.

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Truck

01-13-2000 18:37:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder in reply to Tyler(WA), 01-13-2000 07:35:35  
I have exactly the same problem with a cylinder from my backhoe. It's a big'n, and so far has been resistant to all forces... And BTW, it went to a good old boy hydraulic shop first. They couldn't touch it. Whoever decided to use aluminum in this application was not thinking straight!
Wish you well, I'll post if anything works on my problem child..



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jim

01-13-2000 21:48:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder in reply to Truck, 01-13-2000 18:37:15  
You hit the nail on the head. The alum. glands are disposeable(throwaway) It has been my experence that you can get lucky once and awhile.Proably have to have new one made. They use this kind of glands on service cranes alot too.Heat and tapping the can around gland area may help.



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Tyler(WA)

01-14-2000 09:20:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: stuck end plug on a hyd. cylinder in reply to jim, 01-13-2000 21:48:30  
I never thought using dissimilar metals was any kind of good idea. Now you guys are really making my day. I was hoping for some GOOD answers.

If need be, I have a shop nearby that does great work at good prices. They fabricated a new shaft for my last cylinder and saved me half the cost of buying a new one. Since the old cylinder was about new to start with, they did me a great favor. They said they could fabricate any kind of special cylinder that I might need if there isn't a mass produced one cheaper.

Good folks to have around.

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