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One more question on welding

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Dick J

01-09-2000 19:11:41




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Can anyone explain the basics of wire feed vs mig vs tig welders as used for general repair and fabrication in a home workshop.

I am fairly proficient with a A/C & D/C machine and satisfied with the results but curious as to the advantages of these other types of welders.

I am planning on buying one this summer and would like to purchase just one machine. Can the mig or tig do everything that a good A/C & D/C machine do and then some? I am not really interested in welding aluminum or light gauge metals if that makes any difference. I would like to be able to weld up to 3/8 steel plate and stainless from time to time. Thanks for any advise.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

01-10-2000 07:01:23




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 Re: One more question on welding in reply to Dick J, 01-09-2000 19:11:41  
Hi Dick,
Wire feed welders come in the following common descriptions; MIG (metal inert gas) when a solid wire continous electrode is used with an inert shielding gas also called GMAW (gas metal arc welding)and FCAW (flux cored arc welding). FCAW is when a tubular wire electrode is used with or w/o a shielding gas. MAG ( metal active gas)where a wire electrode is used with an active gas such as CO2. The advantages wire feed machines have over SMAW (Stick) are: Less skill required to weld thin material, less skill required to weld out of position, less skill required to maintain arc and feed electrode, choice of multiple arc types ( short circuit, spray transfer etc.), much greater efficiency of consumable electrode, faster weld times due to higher weld efficiency and feed of continuous electrode. These are some quick ones that come to mind.

Disadvantages of wire compared to stick: Electrodes often cannot be purchased in smallest quantity, equipment cost is higher when comparing machine outputs and material thickness capability, not ideally suited to repair welding on contaminated metals, not ideally suited to outdoor welding applications, not always practical for hard to reach or highly elevated welding, mutiple gases required to weld multiple types of metals, more frequent replacement of moving parts, higher cost of replacement consumable parts, etc.

TIG (tungsten inert gas) is a totally different process. TIG is analogous to a cross between brazing and arc welding. A hand held electrode is fed into the arc where capillary flow results in a metallurgical bond. For production there are wire fed TIG welders. Primarily, TIG process was intended for aluminum. It is however ideally suited to any thin material application and TIG welds are cosmetically appealing. A shielding gas is chosen based on metal type and thickness.

Every process is best suited to a particular situation depending on the type of metal and the end result that you want to achieve. For maintenance, stick welding is still the most widely used according to studies done by the AWS. Wire welders are still being adapted to many applications by companies like ours.
HTH, Steve

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Dick J

01-10-2000 19:21:47




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 Re: Re: One more question on welding in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 01-10-2000 07:01:23  
This message is for Steve at U.S. Alloys. Thanks for the great post on explaining the differances on the various types of welding machines that are available. It sounds a bit more complex then I thought. I think that my best bet would be to purchase a good quality A/C & D/C rev. machine and if I need to weld something out of the ordinary bring it to a full service shop. By the way Steve, it sounds to me that welding has something to do with your day job. Thanks

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MIKE

01-10-2000 09:49:03




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 Re: Re: One more question on welding in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 01-10-2000 07:01:23  
I like the way my uncles wire feed mig does build up work; but if you were outdoors and a gust of wind blew away the shielding gas what kind of weld would you have? I have to buy a welder this spring and think that for my uses a 225 ac licoln buzz box will fill my needs. mike



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John,

01-10-2000 18:41:00




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 Re: Re: Re: One more question on welding in reply to MIKE, 01-10-2000 09:49:03  
the weld will be full of bubbles and very weak.



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clooney

01-10-2000 14:09:20




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 Re: Re: Re: One more question on welding in reply to MIKE, 01-10-2000 09:49:03  
Mike, I have (and have had for a long time)a LINCOLN 225 ac welder. It is a good welder for thick metal "BUT" doesn't work very well for out of position & overhead. If you are set on getting an arc welder get an ac-dc-dc rev. The little extra money is well worth it. I also have a 195 amp. MIG welder for over head & thin metal. I still use the arc welder for rusty metal & real thick pieces. just my .02 cents worth.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

01-10-2000 11:14:53




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 Re: Re: Re: One more question on welding in reply to MIKE, 01-10-2000 09:49:03  
Hi Mike,
There are a few good open arc wires out there for welding outside w/o gas shielding. Some are much better than others. There is not an open arc wire available for all metals by any means at this point in time.

My company has a gasless wire that welds steel outside and also welds contaminated steels. We sell lots of it to job shops and maintenance departments in plants and municipalities. We have quite a few farm accounts that use it too. It will smoke a little due to the flux content, but not as bad as stick rod smokes and not as much as most of these types of wires generally do. It also works very well out of position. We have some info on it at our web site. htpp://www.usalloysweldtech.com The wire is called #824. Steve

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Leon Miller

01-12-2000 18:34:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: One more question on welding in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 01-10-2000 11:14:53  
If anyone is going to copy and paste the address to Steve's Web site change the htpp to>Link
I>Link bookmarked this site Steve.. Thanks Leon



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Steve U.S. Alloys

01-13-2000 05:09:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One more question on welding in reply to Leon Miller, 01-12-2000 18:34:30  
Thank you Leon. Where have you been anyway? Haven't seen a post from you in a while. May the new year bring you health, prosperity, and happiness.
Steve



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