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Robert J Spence

01-07-2000 14:38:43




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I am going to be doing alot of welding of rebar this summer on a big construction project. I am considering an ac/dc machine tat I can use in my shop after the job is over. My question is what type of rod will be best for rebar and steel beams in all positions and on what current? ac or dc?




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bbott

01-08-2000 18:40:42




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 Re: Welding info in reply to Robert J Spence, 01-07-2000 14:38:43  
A big project on the farm or a real big construction project ??

If it's the latter, they (engineers/inspectors)are gonna tell you what to use and how to use it and you're gonna have to be certified or work under the direct supervision of a certified welder..

If it's your own project...

Rebar is very mild steel. ... 6011 is very easy to weld in all positions and is very tolerant of dirt and contamination... perfectly adaquate for rebar.

For structural steel, 7016 is a pretty common
rod to use.

Get a welder that will do AC or DC....

bb

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welder

01-09-2000 12:32:53




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 Re: Re: Welding info in reply to bbott, 01-08-2000 18:40:42  
rebar is not a mild steel. it must be pre heated it is welded with 11018-12018 high strenth rod.DC+only.



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micheal

01-11-2000 11:44:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding info in reply to welder, 01-09-2000 12:32:53  
must be talking about a different grade of rebar, 'cause i can bend 1/2" rebar without heat for all kinda' things, I can't bend 1/2 bar stock which is better steal. Maybe industrial rebar or something is high strength steel, but the stuff i buy at UBC for laying my footings and floors is sure not high strength steel?
micheal



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bbott

01-10-2000 16:58:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding info in reply to welder, 01-09-2000 12:32:53  
Are we talking about the same stuff ?

ASTM Rebar Steel Specs....

'Regular'Grade 40 rebar is 40,000 psi steel.. 'Medium' Grade 60 rebar is 60,000 psi...

and...6011 Rod is 60,000 psi steel.


bbott



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welder

01-10-2000 18:41:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding info in reply to bbott, 01-10-2000 16:58:52  
6011 60000psi rod was developed for mild steel A36 36000psi steel.I own and run my shop I am certifid in rebar,pipe and strucual all positions and unlimted thicknes. thanks FRED



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bbott

01-11-2000 13:13:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding info in reply to welder, 01-10-2000 18:41:51  
Somethin' was haywire here... So I
had to look it up to satisfy my own
mind.... and...

Well, we are BOTH right.
Here's from the American Steel Handbook

A615 Steel Reinforcing Bars.

REBAR GRADE RECOMMENDED ELECTRODE
40 (REGULAR) 60XX, 70XX
60 (MEDIUM) 9018 - G
80 (HIGH) 11018 - M

It sounded like you were qualified and knew
what you were talking about... and I know that I
knew what I was talking about too..

I've been in & around steel since I was 5,
my dad was a structural steel engineer & contractor... before I busted up my back I worked as a millwright/fabricator
& construction foreman...

best regards,

bbott

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Robert J Spence

01-11-2000 15:28:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding info in reply to bbott, 01-11-2000 13:13:00  

So I am still confused.
What type of electrode shoud I use?



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bbott

01-12-2000 13:25:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding info in reply to Robert J Spence, 01-11-2000 15:28:05  
IMPORTANT !!!!!

HERE's a message that I'm sure WELDER and I would both agree on... If you're doing something that's structurally critical... and you're a begining welder,

STOP NOW.

Get some instruction from someone who's qualified or hire it done. You DON'T do structural welding if you are a beginner.

Ok, that said, now read the rest...

MY opinion, based on the literature (WELDER may respectfully differ) is...

1) that for ordinary, vanilla flavored rebar,
in an 'ordinary' application, for low grade rebar, 60XX or 70XX as specified in the metals guide will be just fine.

Remember this is where you are basically welding to hold the rebar in position for the pour. NON-Structural welds.

2) For any 'engineered' application, i.e. critical strength, or when using medium/high-grade rebar, he was right, use 80+ or 110+ PSI rod, welded DC as stated in the manual(s).

In most circumstances like this, you won't have a choice... the engineer/inspector/ building codes are going to tell you exactly what rod to use and how to weld it.. (or even if you are going to be allowed to weld it without certification or inspection or both).

A little background...

Rebar (even the higher grades) is not very 'pure', (uniform) steel to begin with. On top of that, it's often rusty and dirty, and the welding position/conditions are less than perfect.

In my opinion, one of the reasons they specify high strength rod is to compensate for the otherwise imperfect welding opportunity afforded by rebar.

It's hard enough to get a proper weld on a shop bench, with clean metal and lots of experience to begin with. Making good structural welds on 'dirty' steel in difficult positions is not a place for the novice.

If you really want to be a welder, you need to get some instruction. A local Junior College, Night School, or other programs are the best place to start.

If you can't do that, find an experienced welder to help you learn. Yes, if you have to, you can learn from video and books, but in all of the above circumstances it takes practice, practice, practice to be good.

'nuf said.

bbott

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