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Debbie

01-03-2000 13:45:34




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I have an old ford bronco II (1987) which has been leaking water for a while. I don't know where it was going as it never seemed to be on the ground. The radiator needed filling about every 2-3 days. Now, today when I took off the radiator cap, water was gushing out from under the engine. It looks as though it is coming from a breather vent under the engine. What is this and is it repairable???? H E L P.

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Sam from Jawja

01-03-2000 17:14:27




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 Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Debbie, 01-03-2000 13:45:34  
Deb, its really hard for anybody to say for sure without looking at the engine. But..... .I have to wonder if the previous poster was not on the right track when he said freezeplug. I'm not familiar enough with that engine to know for sure, but if a freezeplug on the back of the engine was leaking, it might go into the pan that covers up the clutch, or torque converter in the case of an automatic transmission. These pans usually have a drain hole in them and that might be where the water is pouring from.

If you take it to a garage, they should be able to put pressure on the cooling system with a cooling system pressure tester. This way they can kind of force it to leak fast enough to find it, without the engine having to be running at operating temp.

Hopefully...it will just be a heater hose or something up top leaking down the back side. This would be a good bit cheaper repair than a freeze plug would be.

Good luck!

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catblaster

01-03-2000 17:10:26




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 Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Debbie, 01-03-2000 13:45:34  
Debbie, sound like a freeze plug at the back of the engine inside the bellhousing. If it is, the engind has to come out and flywheel/ring gear has to to be removed to replace it.



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bo

01-03-2000 19:52:10




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 Re: Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to catblaster, 01-03-2000 17:10:26  
They are called freeze out plugs,but what they really are are casting plugs. After the engine is cast, the holes are used to flush the garbage out of the motor and the plugs are installed. Been a long time since I replaced one and I didn't know that their was one on the back of the engine behind the bell housing. Always thought that there were three on each side for a v-8 and they generally weep rather then pour water unless the plug is missing altogether. Then again, Debbie said that with the radiator cap on it dribbles and with it off it pours. Sounds like a soda straw with a finger on the opening and off of the opening. Strange. But the advise to have a pressure test is a good one. The mechanic will fill the radiator and put a pressure tester on it and pressurize the system to about 15lbs and that will force the water to flow. That test should only take 15 minutes or so and be real cheap. $10? The fix depends what is wrong. Hoses are inexpensive to install-$50? If the other post is correct and the transmission w/bell housing has to pulled to fix a freeze out plug then figure$200+/- The way a freeze out plug is fix is generally a rubber plug the same diameter is installed and tightened in the hole. If this is done on the side of the motor then it shouldn't cost more then $30-40. Plug is cheap and max.one hour of labor and that is generous. Nobody mentioned a blown head gasket and this might be the case and then the intake manifold has to come out, the head and gasket installed. Cost w/one head done-$200? With two heads done and surfaced $350?. Lots of guessing but shouldn't be too hard to find the problem and unless I am way off base nothing should cost over a max of $500. I admire you Debbie- not many would try to get the info and are prey for the unscrupulous. Jump in any time with any questions no matter how dumb you think it is. Let us know what it is. Bo

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bo

01-03-2000 20:13:12




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to bo , 01-03-2000 19:52:10  
nobody mentioned the heater hoses- most run to the back to the engine and into the firewall connections. If it is the heater hoses shouldn't be tought to fix at about $40? bo



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Dick L

01-03-2000 15:18:56




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 Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Debbie, 01-03-2000 13:45:34  

Check the oil. If you don't have water in the oil it will most likely be the water pump which is replaceable. Good Luck



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Abe

01-03-2000 15:46:04




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 Re: Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Dick L, 01-03-2000 15:18:56  
Dick, the waterpump is on the front of the engine not the rear



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Debbie

01-03-2000 14:55:26




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 Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Debbie, 01-03-2000 13:45:34  
I am not really good with car parts but the water is coming from a large, cast iron part which is directly behind my oil pan. It looks like it is part of the engine base. At the bottom of this part there is an opening (looks like a breather vent). There is also a (or appears to be) a gas line going into this cast iron part. I hope this would help. Thank you for your help.



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CLOONEY

01-03-2000 15:39:04




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 Re: Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Debbie , 01-03-2000 14:55:26  
Debbie,your observation helps pin it down a little more. I now know what it isn't. There still isn't enough information to pin it down. Lets try to pin it down more. Fill cooling system with water (make sure it isn't going to freeze) then use a good strong flash light & look at the top rear of the engine on both sides. Look real closely at the hoses on top of engine. Try to see if the water is leaking on the top of the engine and running down the rear or engine,If it is your lucky. If the water is still leaking out the bottom & you can't see it on top of the engine it will probably be difficult to diagnose on the internet. The transmission might even have to come out to find it.You might want to take it to a repair facility & have them take a look. If you feel uncomfortable having it repaired have them diagnose it them re-post we can tell you if the repair sounds like a reasonable repair. I could list a lot of possible places the leak could be coming from but without seeing the vehicle it would just be guessing, that would only confuse the issue more.

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Debbie (again)

01-03-2000 15:26:03




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 Re: Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Debbie , 01-03-2000 14:55:26  
No water in the oil. When the truck is off the water pours out when radiator cap is off and only drips out when the radiator cap is on.



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Aaron

01-03-2000 15:04:07




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 Re: Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Debbie , 01-03-2000 14:55:26  
Is this part on the front of the engine? Could be the water pump. Can you tell me what size the engine is? I have some repair manuals and if I know what engine and what end this part is on, I may be able to narrow it down for you a bit.
Aaron



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Debbie

01-03-2000 15:18:25




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Aaron, 01-03-2000 15:04:07  
Thank you very much for your help. It is a 2.9 Liter fuel injected. While underneath the Bronco, the part with the water pouring out of it is directly behind the oil pan. Hope this helps. Not sure if it is worth fixing if it is something major and don't want to get ripped off. Your input is greatly appreciated.



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Paul Fox

01-03-2000 15:27:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Debbie, 01-03-2000 15:18:25  
Hmmm. Still not clear on where we're talking about, but it sounds like it MIGHT be a freeze plug. These are round concave plugs that are pressed into the block, designed for freezing water to push them out instead of cracking the block. They have a tendency to rust through, and then you'd be dumping all your water on the ground. They are usually on the sides of the block behind the exhaust manifold, but some engines have them on the rear, usually behind the bellhousing, which might give the symptoms you're describing, if I understand them correctly.

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clooney

01-03-2000 14:02:31




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 Re: HELP - Water/Water everywhere in reply to Debbie, 01-03-2000 13:45:34  
Debbie, you will have to be a little more specific about where the water is coming from if you want us to help you. Try to explain what the part looks like and exactly where on the engine the water is coming from. Let us know & we will try to help.



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