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Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping

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Robert(AL)

11-07-1999 06:17:57




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I recently purchased a IR compressor and need to run a 20' line. My question is: Is pvc the way to go? If so, what size and type? I have a 60 gal. tank and it is a two stage. My air filter/regulator has 3/8 input and output.




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Mr KK Jain, Senior CI Consultant

07-10-2002 03:34:56




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 Re: Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping in reply to Robert(AL), 11-07-1999 06:17:57  
kinldy advise if your company deals with pneumatic filter regulators for supplying instrument air at 15 psi from 100 psi supply.
Kindly forward leaflet of same and inform if these filter regaulators have automatic drainging facility.

Thanks



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Roy Forsberg

08-27-2001 02:55:49




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 Re: Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping in reply to Robert(AL), 11-07-1999 06:17:57  
Hello we are locking for spareparts to Ingersol- rand compressor. Can you please tell me the nearest retailer in Sweden



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MWill

12-05-1999 11:04:52




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 Re: Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping in reply to Robert(AL), 11-07-1999 06:17:57  
Robert, I strongly advise against PVC for air piping. I have seen several occasions where this pipe has "exploded". The manufacturer and PPI (plastic piping institute) recommend against it, however in the real world where no lawyers are allowed CPVC has been used succesfully. Main differences between the two are flexibility and embrittlement. CPVC ruptures and leaves a hole for escaping air while PVC merely explodes. Here's a test, take a piece of each kind of pipe and beat on it with a hammer, does it dent and flatten or does it shatter?? Save yourself and others the risk and use galvanized pipe, also copper is excellent for air pipe if you don't have access to thread dies and can solder.

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Robert(AL)

11-08-1999 17:24:45




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 Re: Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping in reply to Robert(AL), 11-07-1999 06:17:57  
Thanks for your input Ernie and Lynn. I am very serious about the safety aspects of my work. Your comments are very beneficial.

Robert



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Lynn Kasdorf

11-08-1999 07:04:04




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 Re: Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping in reply to Robert(AL), 11-07-1999 06:17:57  
I strongly suggest getting the T.I.P. catalog. They sell all things that re compressed-air related, and they go into great detail on how to configure your air lines and components.

Apparently another reason to use iron pipe is that it condenses moisture more than plastic, and if you angle your pipes properly, the condensate will run downhill and gather in a section of the pipe where you can drain it off.

Another thing they suggest is that when you tap off of your long run of air pipe to go to a tool, use a feeder line that goes up 6", then through 2 elbows and down to your takeoff point. This will pull dry air from the top of the pipe, and not get the condensate at the bottom. The catalog explains this all very well.

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Jack

06-17-2000 11:55:06




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 Re: Re: Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 11-08-1999 07:04:04  
Looking for price on 1hp air compressor?? can u help me? please email! pictures, cost, shipping, delivery, & link to connect with!



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Ernie

11-07-1999 16:16:03




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 Re: Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping in reply to Robert(AL), 11-07-1999 06:17:57  
I really discourage using pvc for air piping. If there is any oil mist carry over, solvent exposure, or uv (sunlight) exposure the pipe will embrittle. The pipe will fail without warning.

What will you use the air for? What is your header pressure? I would use 3/4 or 1" schd 80 galvanized. Take off the top of the header and then reduce to your regulators. Put a bucket type steam condensate trap on the tank to automatically drain the condensate.

--- take off to reg <- compressor /
----- ----- ----- ----- ----- --- header

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Robert(AL)

11-07-1999 16:59:56




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 Re: Re: Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping in reply to Ernie, 11-07-1999 16:16:03  
Ernie,

The air is for spraying, operating air tools,and sandblasting. Compressor builds up 175# before it shuts off.
Please define what you mean by header. I'm new at this!

Thanks for your input,
Robert



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Ernie

11-08-1999 15:04:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping in reply to Robert(AL), 11-07-1999 16:59:56  
175 is serious pressure. BTW most pneumatic tools want 95 psi, or thats what mine do.

A header is a larger diameter "main" and has several take offs to allow multiple devices to operate simultaneously without inducing a large pressure drop. In large shops with continuous air demand pressure drop will diminish the efficiency of the air tools.

I would recommend strongly an air dryer before the paint sprayer or sand blaster. Your I-R source can help you there. A thermal regenerative will use the least compressed air and also cost most. A loop of copper pipe in a barrel of ice water is the cheapest.

The suction on your compressor wants the coldest, dryest, cleanest air you can find. If the compressor is near your spray operation it will inhale lotsa solvent. I would find a way to duct outside air to the pump.

Feel the discharge of your pump, it will be very hot. It may be finned to aid in cooling the air. It will be important to regularly drain your tank and pipe drip legs to reduce corrosion and sudden tank failure. I leave the bottom tap on my I-R machine cracked just a tad to auto vent the water.

Now about you. If you are going to spray paint get a decent resperator. A full face negative pressure is the minimum. Get it fitted with eye glass holder, even if you wear contacts. Don't wear contacts under the respirator. Buy extra cartridges and replace when break through occurs. It will cost ~$200, but it will be cheaper than a lung or liver transplant.

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Ernie (pt 2)

11-08-1999 16:16:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ingersol Rand Air Compressor Piping in reply to Ernie, 11-08-1999 15:04:21  
I know this is more than you asked for, but I feel obligated to supply. I am also not a physician, but a safety professional.

Check with your PCP (physician) and ask him or her about how appropriate it is for you to wear a negative pressure respirator. If you have diminished lung function... well its up to you. If you smoke, you got some more choices to make.

You're next choice is a powered air purifying respirator, and they are neat. It is the only way to sand lead or sand blast*. PAPR cost about $600.
DON'T HOOK UP OR INVENT AN AIR HOOD TO HOOK UP TO YOUR AIR COMPRESSOR. Your compressor passes carbon monoxide from the lube oil, CO bioaccumulates and can interfere with your life.

Lastly whatever respirator you decide upon, make sure you are fit tested and trained in its maintenance. If after some serious work, you come down with the flu, only no head congestion, you have chemical pneumonia. Listen to your body.

* sand blasting will ruin your lungs with silica, resulting in silicosis. Lead will interfere with neural function and accumulate with other heavy metals in your bones. As you age and lose bone density the body gets a second dose of the metals.

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