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Homemade woodsplitter problem

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Craig

09-21-1999 17:24:15




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The return cycle is slow. I've replaced the cross valve. The engine is working fine. The pump is not of a two stage variety. The cylinder came out of an airplane landing gear. I don't know whether to replace the pump or have the cylinder looked at. The splitting seems weak considering I have an 11HP Briggs and a 5" cylinder. Any thoughts?




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Tom

12-17-2000 16:32:14




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 Re: homemade woodsplitter problem in reply to Craig, 09-21-1999 17:24:15  
Just looking around for info on log splitters and came across your question. I just read that a two-stage pump contains two pumping sections and an internal pressure sensing valve that cuts over between the two. One section of the pump generates the max GPM flow rate at a lower pressure. The other generates the highest possible pressure at a lower flow rate. The latter used to split the log. Drawing the piston back into the cylinder takes very little force and you want it to happen quickly...high flow rate, low pressure. A two-stage hydraulic oil pump rated at a max of 11 gal-per-min (3GPM@2500PSI)recommended. Hope this helps.

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bret

03-04-2000 15:51:32




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 Re: homemade woodsplitter problem in reply to Craig, 09-21-1999 17:24:15  
With your cylinder, you should be able to generate 20 tons of force with a 2000 psig pump no matter what the size line, restrictor or whatever (as long as it's not a pressure regulator) to your cylinder. The size just affects flow rates, which translates into how fast you can split a log. If your performance problem is not being able to go through regular logs that a standard 20 ton splitter can do, then I would say that your pump is really not generating the adequate pressure or possibly your cylinder is having a major bypass problem at the piston to cylinder seal area. Putting a pressure gauge on the hi-pressure feed to the cylinder will be the tattle-tale.
You've probably sloved the problem by now, but I stumbled on your website dilemna and as I want to build my own splitter, found it interesting.
-Bret

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Pat Cox

09-25-1999 03:47:28




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 Re: homemade woodsplitter problem in reply to Craig, 09-21-1999 17:24:15  
Craig,

It is possible that the cylinder has an internal flow restrictor. Landing gear cylinders aren't made to work fast, they are made to raise and lower the gear in an orderly fashion. There are often gear doors to be opened and closed, and (if you plan things right) you have pleanty of time to get the job done. Do you have an actuating cylinder, or a strut? Struts often have an internal metering pin to tailor the shock absorbing characteristics of the system. This is essentially a flow restrictor which varies with the strut extension.

I've never had a log splitter, but I have flown & miantained aircraft.

Pat

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Rick

09-22-1999 12:41:43




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 Re: homemade woodsplitter problem in reply to Craig, 09-21-1999 17:24:15  
A 5" cylinder is pretty good size, how many GPM is your pump? Most log splitters use at least 10 GPM. Some times you have to put a gear reduction on a gas engine to get it to turn the pump slower, most pumps are designed to turn at or below 1200 RPM. Make sure none of your fittings or hoses are undersized,restricted, or kinked. Your pressure lines should be 3/8" or 1/2" and your suction line to your pump should be at least 3/4".
Make sure the cylinder is not an air cylinder, they look identical sometimes. Good Luck!

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Craig

09-22-1999 17:56:10




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 Re: Re: homemade woodsplitter problem in reply to Rick, 09-22-1999 12:41:43  
Rick

Thanks for getting back. I checked the suction hose and it is 3/4. The line to the cylinder split end is 1/2 but the line to the return end is 3/4. Could that make a difference. Tthe line form the valve to the resevoir is 3/4 but the return line from the resevoir to the pump is 1/2. The pump is not marked so I don't know how many GPM. The engine states it is 11HP at 3600 RPM. I can't tell if I have a gear reduction on the shaft although there is something on the shaft end that is round and attached by set screws, just before the shaft goes into the pump. Do you think I could take the pump off and have it checked. I can't tell if the cylinder is designed for air. It does work with the hydraulic fluid. Thanks again. Craig

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jack r. mccoy

03-31-2001 17:04:51




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 Re: Re: Re: homemade woodsplitter problem in reply to Craig, 09-22-1999 17:56:10  
i'm building LOG SPLITTER but not sure what kind of hydraulic pump to usen or where to buy one. i have a 5 hp engine 22inch stroke cylinder with a 1 1/4 inch shaft. any info would be appreciated .
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Rick

09-24-1999 10:32:48




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 Re: Re: Re: homemade woodsplitter problem in reply to Craig, 09-22-1999 17:56:10  
The pump usually has a part# or name plate on it to identify it and that would allow you to find it's GPM rating. Or the piece of equipment that you took the pump off of could lead you to the specs of the pump. 3600rpm sounds to high. If you want to gear it down, the pulley on the pump should be 3 times the circumfrence of the pulley on the motor. They also sell geared reductions for gas motors.
The pump is designed to turn in a specific direction....make sure it is correct.
If you don't have a local friend or shop that knows hydrualics you can call Northern Hydrualics (1-800-556-7885) and ask for their technical assistance dept. or they may still have a booklet on basic hydrualics available, they sell lots of stuff for the ammature hydraulics hobbiest.

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