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More on trailers ILLEGAL ?????

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ray

06-30-1999 18:45:00




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Was told today that my 23 foot equipment trailer with mobile home axles and wheels is no longer legal on most highways. This means my stock trailer is not legal also because of the axles and tires. Individual who told me did not know where his information came from. Anyone knowledgable on this subject?
thanks in advance
ray




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ray

07-10-1999 17:34:57




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 Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to ray, 06-30-1999 18:45:00  
Gentlemen, It has been interesting reading all the opinions.
I've been pulling this trailer for almost 20 years with brake and bearing inspection every couple of years; Convinced the quality is as good as anything I would pay big $$$$$ to replace it with, I think I'll keep on pullin it. If stopped, I guess I would have to ask the question, Just how many accidents has anyone seen caused by a MH axle. I travel I-75 quite frequently and I see these trailer toters runnin 70mph all the time pulling these doublewides. IMO, any regulations that do exist were certainly to protect us from ourself.

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charlie okla

07-07-1999 08:41:08




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 Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to ray, 06-30-1999 18:45:00  
If the trailer was built before the regs went into effect, they can't do much. Mine has moble home axles & tires and no break away. The police couldn't do anything about it.
If they raise Cain about the tires, just use a grinder and remove all information.



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welder

07-07-1999 19:32:39




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 Re: Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to charlie okla, 07-07-1999 08:41:08  
stupid advice



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Bill From Ontario

07-07-1999 19:35:41




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 Re: Re: Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to welder, 07-07-1999 19:32:39  
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so!



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Charlie Okla

07-08-1999 22:22:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to Bill From Ontario, 07-07-1999 19:35:41  
Why is it stupid? The wheel hub takes the same bearings if it is a mobile axle or a regular axle. Only the casting and therefore the wheel mounting system is different. The MH tires are different in that they are over rated as to load. A low boy tire of the same size is rated about 75% of the MH type. The removal of the MH is to keep a certain DMV from giving the farmers a hard time.



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Bill From Ontario

07-09-1999 14:13:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to Charlie Okla, 07-08-1999 22:22:49  
First of all the two hub bores are machined the same to fit standard wheel bearings. The mobile home hub, because it is designed for one way use, and is therefore disposable doesn't have the "meat" in it to machine true, when worn. I've seen them warp and crack under use. Being thinner, they don't dissapate the heat as well as a real hub. Secondly, the mobile home rim is also significantly thinner. They will warp under load. Thirdly, I don't think DMV officers wake up every morning thinking of ways to screw farmers. Farmers are using puplic roads, and should comply. What price do you put on public safety? The satisfaction that you get by beating the system would be short lived if one of your wheels flies off on the highway and kills some poor mother and her kids driving in a mini van in the opposite lane. Fourthly, I think it's irresponsible to advise people to grind off load ratings from rims. You don't even know the people who see that advice. Some one who has no mechanical ability could grind the rim so thin as to damage the structural integrity. If you insist on cutting corners and creating potentially dangerous situations, I would suggest keeping your insurance premiums up to date. Thanks, Bill.

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Charlie Okla

07-09-1999 18:10:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to Bill From Ontario, 07-09-1999 14:13:36  
Thanks for your reply. It is a pleasure to discuss w/o name calling. The meat in the hubs has to do more with the mold used in the casting pattern. The ones I've run were the same rough cast hole size. Some axle assemblys I've seen didn't have big enough bearings and it didn't seem to matter what they were on. Bearing ratings can be found in any bearing catalog. You quickly find out who the junk builders are. Some of the MH rims are very thin but so are some of the budget (read import) rims. As to DMV, moble home axles, wheels, tires are legal where I live. I was talking about a single officer causing trouble. I NEVER would grind ratings from rims or tires or advise doing it. I said grind the MH off. Buffing would have been a better description.

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Bill From Ontario

07-09-1999 19:51:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to Charlie Okla, 07-09-1999 18:10:08  
Fair enough. As point of interest though, without mentioning any particular manufacturers, hub quality for real trailers is poor. It's a funny thing, engineering goes in cycles. In the early 90's, I could buy hubs that could be machined up to four times. As certain companies bought out others and eliminated competition, the quality went down the tubes. Now the scrap content is so high, that metalurgically speaking, the wear and dimensional properties are severely reduced. Your very lucky now a days to get two resurfacings, due to out of roundness (uneven heat dissapation)and high wear. Similarly, bonded brake shoes were unheard of except for MH applications, now,try and find riveted shoes for 10" and 12" trailer hubs. I could go on and on, it's a real sore spot with me.
As for the rogue DMV officer, I would recommend patience, give anyone enough rope, and... well, you know.Bill

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dan

07-10-1999 16:30:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to Bill From Ontario, 07-09-1999 19:51:57  
It is a pleasure to read posts/replys that are of different opinion/perspective and see adult males react properly. One thing most people don't seem to understand is that lots of people read these things and form opinions about the writers. You guys did good, keep it up. dan...



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Bill From Ontario

07-01-1999 19:24:44




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 Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to ray, 06-30-1999 18:45:00  
In Canada;
CMVSS 901 pertaining to axles;
Sec. (1) No axle, axle assembly or wheel, tire, suspension or other hardware of an axle assembly commonly referred to as running gear that is designed and manufactured exclusively for use on a mobile home or other vehicle that is not of a class prescribed by the Regulations shall be fitted to a trailer.

There is a similar regulation in the States, but I can't find my copy. Not everything is on the website. Some of the info you have to order.

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Mark Thompson

07-01-1999 18:58:09




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 Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to ray, 06-30-1999 18:45:00  
I have also heard this.But I was told it was the cut and narrowed axles that were illegal,not the wheel style. Mark



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Steve Hansen

06-30-1999 22:32:16




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 Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to ray, 06-30-1999 18:45:00  
#1. Check with your state police or other knowledgable agency. Get the facts from the source.

#2. If they are illegal you can:

A. buy hubs for mobile home axles that will convert them to take 6 on 5.5 or 8 on 6.5 bolt 15" rims. Not cheap. One source is Stockton Wheel. Quoted me $75.00 ea for hubs and $100.00 ea for hub/drums. 1-800-395-9433 or [email protected].

B. Buy new axles and hubs/drums from a dealer.

C. Keep on trucking.

Lots of trailers around here with mobile home axles and wheels. Be arevolution if someone mode an issue of it.

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Bill From Ontario

06-30-1999 20:56:04




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 Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to ray, 06-30-1999 18:45:00  
Ray, that's correct. Mobile home axles and rims are basically one-way components. The rims are thinner, and in most cases the axles are not certified. If you get a chance, take a look at a standard rim against yours. Bill.



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Jocko

06-30-1999 20:49:20




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 Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to ray, 06-30-1999 18:45:00  

If so why do they allow moble home factories use recycled axels ant thats a BIG business nation wide



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Jocko

06-30-1999 20:41:27




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 Re: More on trailers ILLEGAL ????? in reply to ray, 06-30-1999 18:45:00  

Are you sure the one who told you isn't trying to sell you a trailer----You know the let moble home fractories use recycled axels so why cant you use them ?? I think its a bunch of hogwash----



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