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Does argon get old?

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Stephen Newell

04-02-2013 21:14:51

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I need to weld some aluminum and I got to thinking it's been 18 years since I've welded any aluminum and the argon is that old. It hasn't leaked out but I don't know whether I should use it or not. Rather than finding out the hard way I thought I better ask if I should get the bottle refilled.

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R. Gone

04-03-2013 03:50:05

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Re: Does argon get old? in reply to Stephen Newell, 04-02-2013 21:14:51

Gas should be good, but 18 years... The demurrage must be out of sight!

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Stephen Newell

04-03-2013 03:49:24

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Re: Does argon get old? in reply to Stephen Newell, 04-02-2013 21:14:51

My instincts were telling me the gas was alright but I have so little experience with welding I thought I better ask given the age of it. I probably really shouldn't attempt to weld on this bandsaw cover given my experience but I'm too cheap to hire it out. The saw is nearly 100 years old and posible the only machine left the company made. Thanks for the info.

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Stick welding

04-03-2013 22:13:38

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Re: Does argon get old? in reply to Stephen Newell, 04-03-2013 03:49:24

If it's a rare part and isn't replaceable, take it to someone who specializes in that type of repair. If it's 100 years old, who knows what kind of alloy it is. If you don't have a lot of experience TIG welding aluminum, you could make a mess out of it. A couple small cracks shouldn't cost too much for an experienced TIG welder to repair.

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Stephen Newell

04-05-2013 04:37:16

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Re: Does argon get old? in reply to Stick welding, 04-03-2013 22:13:38

It turned out that's what I had to do. The welder went haywire and I think the wire burned in the liner. I welded a couple of spots and they cracked again after the metal cooled so I ground off what I had done and took it to a certified welder.

As far as the rarity of the saw cover. It's so rare its the only known machine made by a obscure little company called Winner Mfg. Company.

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dr sportster

04-05-2013 12:37:10

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Re: Does argon get old? in reply to Stephen Newell, 04-05-2013 04:37:16

Wow nice machine ! They don't make them like that anymore.

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Loosehandle

04-03-2013 07:24:08

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Re: Does argon get old? in reply to Stephen Newell, 04-03-2013 03:49:24

Thats not going to be an easy weld even with new gas....

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MarkB_MI

04-03-2013 02:35:05

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Re: Does argon get old? in reply to Stephen Newell, 04-02-2013 21:14:51

Hmm. Wasn't it already a few million years old at the time it was bottled?

Seriously, it would have to become contaminated for it to be unusable. And I don't see how that could happen; it's a dry, inert gas in a sealed, pressurized vessel.

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71ford100

04-02-2013 22:02:07

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Re: Does argon get old? in reply to Stephen Newell, 04-02-2013 21:14:51

The gas should be okay. All of the pressure testing on the bottle is long expired however. I"m sure an expert will speak up on that matter.

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504-1

04-03-2013 18:28:33

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Re: Does argon get old? in reply to 71ford100, 04-02-2013 22:02:07

Use it, the tank will need a retest before filling again, but there is nothing wrong with using it now.

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old

04-02-2013 21:25:16

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Re: Does argon get old? in reply to Stephen Newell, 04-02-2013 21:14:51

Well argon is an inert gas and is one of the many elements and like Hydrogen or other gases as long as sealed will never go bad as such

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