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Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....?

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Bill

01-21-2002 04:20:55




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A couple years back I got tired of paying people to haul my whatever. Bought a new 7K pound 7 foot wide by 16 foot long full deck car trailer. Put maybe 50 miles a year on it. The $2200 seemed ok for occasional use. Fully loaded that kinda weight on a ball on the back of the pick up just don't feel right. Wish I had bought a used gooseneck instead. Now I'm looking to creative minds for a low buck solution. I'd prefer to spend limited funds on the toys rather than the transportation. Idea #1- Anybody know where I could get a gooseneck hitch welded onto my bumper pull tongue? I'm located in New York Capitol Distict area. Is that practical? Idea #2- Used gooseneck stock trailers are a dime a dozen in the $500 range. Likely due to the manure rusting out the sides. Thought about buying one & cutting off the top & sides & redecking but I don't know if the sides are a structural necessity of the gooseneck. Idea #3- Buy a gooseneck stock trailer rated at around 8-10K gvw & cut off the top, sides and deck of the stock trailer and then take the axels & tongue off my current trailer & mount the remains on the stock trailer frame. Idea#4- Just forget the whole thing & stick with the bumper pull. I can't jusify to myself the cost of a good gooseneck to use once or twice a year. Any opinions/ideas?

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Canadian Cowboy

01-22-2002 08:49:55




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 Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Bill, 01-21-2002 04:20:55  
Your problem is solved!!!!!

In the December 2001 issue of Canadian farm news paper, The Grain News. There was an invention show cased just for this job. It was a home build goose neck frame that bolted right up on a bumper pull ball hitch trailer.

This old guy figuered out the exact measurements and correct welds. There is a detailed diagram with the story too.

It does not weld to the trailer at all, only bolted and hangs. This keeps the trailer stock and resellable when you finaly come across decent priced factory made goose neck trailer you want to trade for.

This is exactly what your after.

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Bill

01-22-2002 15:18:22




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 Re: Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Canadian Cowboy, 01-22-2002 08:49:55  
This guy hit it on the head. Anybody out there got a copy of this they can scan/e-mail?



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Canadian Cowboy

01-22-2002 22:45:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Bill, 01-22-2002 15:18:22  
My scanner crapped out so Can't send you a copy but I will do teh next best thing,

Contact the writter, Georgina Campbell, field editor for Grain News magazine, Ph 780-895-7399 oe e-mail: [email protected]

The article is in the "Shop talk Section", titled "invention makes Gooseneck trailer out of ball hitch" in the December 2001 edition.

Ask to get a copy faxed or e-mailed to ya, should help you out.

Best of luck.

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Dan

01-21-2002 18:14:05




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 Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Bill, 01-21-2002 04:20:55  
Unless you're just dying to spend the money, your best bet would be to go to a load equalizing hitch. Years ago, before we bit the bullet and went to goosenecks, (and wondered why we had been so stupid) we had to go to a Reese hitch with equalization bars for a 4 horse bumper pull trailer. Requires no modification to the truck, as it uses the same receiver. Only requires the hitch brackets where the chain attaches to be bolted or welded to the trailer tongue. I see them for sale in the want ads occasionally. Travel trailer dealers are your best bet, as that crowd still uses them. If you have no experience with them, you'll be surprised at what an improvement they make.
Although I haven't used one in years, I still have one in the attic and wouldn't part with it, 'cause you never know...

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Bob

01-21-2002 16:25:53




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 Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Bill, 01-21-2002 04:20:55  
I found this surfing the other day. Maybe it could be of use to you. Here is the URL in case the link doesn't work.

http://www.greerinc.com/fifthdimension/index.htm



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Thurlow

01-21-2002 10:13:06




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 Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Bill, 01-21-2002 04:20:55  
Personally, I'd rather do as newgen is doing; put a goose-neck hitch on your trailer. Your trailer is already framed to handle the load. The frame under most stock trailers is very light. Structural rigidity is provided by the sides, i.e. creating a "box".



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Gil

01-21-2002 09:10:01




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 Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Bill, 01-21-2002 04:20:55  

I live in the West, and have no idea what registration and operator license regulations are where you live. Here, another part of the decision you are making is what will it cost to register the trailer and what license will I need to pull it. Goose neck trailers usually weigh more and will have a higher GTW which may be a determining factor on license, not what you happen to have on it.



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newgen

01-21-2002 07:23:25




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 Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Bill, 01-21-2002 04:20:55  

Bill I just bought a used bumper hitch trailer and pulled it straight to a local welding shop. He is putting a gooseneck on the trailer and a plate in each one of my pickups for $650. I live in Illinois so I don't know what would be available toy ou out there. It's supposed to be done in a couple of weeks. If you want give me your email and I will send some pictures when it gets done



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Bill

01-21-2002 18:27:05




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 Re: Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to newgen, 01-21-2002 07:23:25  
Would love to see pictures of a conversion. THANKS!!!!



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T_Bone

01-21-2002 07:21:20




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 Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Bill, 01-21-2002 04:20:55  
Hi Bill,

You didn't give us much to go on. What does your bumper rating say, it's stamped next to the ball.
Do you have a equlizer hitch?

My bumper is rated at 500lbs tongue and 5000lbs gross and I've had 15000lbs load with 3000lbs of tongue but it does bow it some what. I also wouldn't do that much weight on a regular basis nor tow at hi-way speed.

A class V receiver is rated for 12500lbs. The receiver will also be stamped what it's rated at.
The new 2-5/16" ball is rated at 30,000lbs

I custom built my receiver over 30yrs ago and I regularly pull 20,000lbs for short distances. My 28ft flatbed trailer is very tongue heavy at 6000lbs loaded and it handles that just fine. Granted I wouldn't do near this much load on a factory receiver but was just refferance as to what can be done.

For 50 miles a year, I think I would correct whats wrong with your set-up and keep what you have.
Give us some more info and we'll suggest something.

T_Bone

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Bill

01-22-2002 15:34:21




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 Re: Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to T_Bone, 01-21-2002 07:21:20  
I currently have a drop hitch bumper rated at 10K load with 1K tongue weight without equalizer bars. Problem is I tried a gooseneck & the weight in the center of the truck feels a lot better than on the tail. Add to that I live in an area where 10% grades are common. The goosenecks just trail SOOOO much better,. Newgen & Canadian Cowboy I think are on the right track. klh confirmed what I suspected that on the stock trailers the body was part of the stucturral strength. Will stay away from stock trailers. Will look hard at adapting my current trailer I guess. Underside is good, trails good (for a bumper pull) & never been overloaded....yet.... I'm kinda leaning in that direction. Thanks to All!!! Any additional ideas are WELCOME!!!!

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Cliff Neubauer

01-21-2002 06:42:53




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 Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Bill, 01-21-2002 04:20:55  
I think I'd keep what you have if it will handle the weight you need to haul. What size ball does it use? A 2 5/16 ball would handle any weight you need and is the same size most goosenecks use. What type of hitch is on the truck? If your worried about that you could get DMI bumper, they will handle any thing the truck will and then some.



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Tom Wilcox

01-21-2002 07:54:05




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 Re: Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 01-21-2002 06:42:53  
I been down that road myself 2x. Had a goose neck then moved across the country and bought a bumper hitch wishing i still had the gooseneck. In my part of Central New York your bumperhitch is still worth a good bit. I like your idea of an old stock trailer. Many of the one i have seen would do just what youre thinking. But i have never done it. However I can tell you from personal experience a bad day with a gooseneck is better that a good day with a bumper hitch. Good luck

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khf

01-21-2002 14:47:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Any alternative to just wishing I'd got a Gooseneck trailer....? in reply to Tom Wilcox, 01-21-2002 07:54:05  
I sell horse & livestock & g/n flatbeds. You should not cosider using a trailer that was designed for livestock because the sides & roof
are part of the structual integerity of the ability to haul the load. Your thailer can be used to tradein or sell it
out right.A new g/n starts around $3800.00 depending on opitions. If you need more info please me thanks khf

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