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Flourescent Lights in the Cold

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MO

01-06-2002 14:58:48




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When it gets cold out, the flourescent lights in my garage/workshop flicker and never really come on to their full brightness. I remember reading about this once, but can't remember what it said. Is it the ballasts that need changing? Thanks for the help!

MO




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RWK in WI

01-08-2002 17:44:18




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
This is not ment as advertising but a place called "FarmTek" list several cold weather bulbs and fixtures in their catalog. 1 - 800 -3227 - 6835
I don't know what they have on their web site
www.FarmTek.com

Hope this helps



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JerryU

01-08-2002 04:52:45




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
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Here's an interesting twist. A company called Lights of America makes a yard light that draws 65 watts and produces the light of a 175 mercury. It will light at zero. (Takes a few minutes to get to full brightness). I got it for $29 at a Menards in Illinois or Iowa. It is a rather cheapie plastic fixture, but I have 3 in my 30 X 40 pole barn and they work great. Before I was using 300 Watt incandescent. Now more light at lot less energy.

FWIW

JU

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Roy

01-07-2002 15:31:07




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
MO change your ballasts. had to do the same thing to mine.



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RYAN

01-07-2002 13:12:21




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
I once accidentally plugged the cord to about 6 flourescent lights once when it was really cold into a 220 outlet. I realized my folly after about 5 seconds but none of them blew out and they all were on at full strength and were not humming.


ryan



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Jim WI

01-07-2002 10:37:12




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
The February issue of Fine Woodworking magazine has a good article on shop lighting.

The article points out that there are three major categories of standard flourescent bulbs - standard, energy efficient and high output. The standard bulbs (which are generally only available in specialty bulbs) are rated to start down to 40 or 50 F (don't remember which and I don't have the article with me). The energy efficient bulbs (which are basically standard bulbs designed for lower output) are only good down to about 60 F. The high output bulbs are good down to about 0 F.

Another factor is the ballast. You need one that indicates it's a Type P (or maybe "Class" P?) for good low-temperature starting. Cheap fixtures generally have cheap ballasts that don't have this rating.

All in all, it's a good article.

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bill bva

01-07-2002 09:02:26




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  

if you have a heat gun try running the length of the tubes with heat . doesn't take long . works for me . i never tried a hair dryer on them but they work good on wet ignition systems



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Chicken George

01-07-2002 06:17:10




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
Mo, I build a fire and let things warm up a bit than turn on the lights. I have one 100 W.bulb on a switch that gives me light for those minute jobs or to build a fire, it just makes things simpler.



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llamas

01-07-2002 03:49:42




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
In addition to all the previous comments, bear in mind that fluorescent lamps do not last forever. Their light output degrades over their working life, sometimes as much as 50%. And their energy consumption increases over their working life.

Many industrial users have a re-lamping program where fluorescents are automatically replaced every X months, whether or not they still work. X is calculated from the cost of the new bulb vs the loss of output and the added energy consumption. I'm sure a quick Web search would tell you what's normal practice to get the best out of fluorescents.

HTH

llater,

llamas

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Glenn(WV)

01-06-2002 20:39:20




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
The fluorescents in my garage(two-bulb Lowe's shop lights, $8.99/fixture) will light up even at 15-20 degrees. At that temperature, they take about five minutes to warm up and achieve full brightness. The fixtures say they won't work below 50 degrees; so much for that!



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Old Sparky

01-06-2002 16:06:48




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
Fluorescents usually do not start at full brightness below about 50 deg. The newer energy efficient units are even more temperature sensitive. Those outside at gas stations are HO type and will start below 0 deg, but are less energy efficient. An air conditioning outlet blowing on a fluorescent can cause flicker. There are plastic sleeves for flourescent tubes to contain glass fragments in case of breakage. These have the advantage of keeping the tube warmer and reducing flicker after warmup in cold locations. Maybe try a couple of those to see how they work in your situation. I am unaware of any damage caused by the flickering, but would welcome correct information about that.

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Bart

01-06-2002 15:52:15




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
There are special cold weather ballasts that work when it.s real cold. Call an electric supply house or dealer for details and types you need. I've got the same problem in a cold garage.



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Ballasts too many $$$$$$

01-07-2002 16:02:20




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 Re: Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to Bart, 01-06-2002 15:52:15  
From what i`ve been told by the time you pay for the ballast you can buy a complete fixture for about the same money.



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Mark in Md

01-06-2002 15:51:24




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 Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to MO, 01-06-2002 14:58:48  
You will need to change to cold temperature bulbs, I believe they have a different gas in the tubes. I have them in my shop at work, they are about 2-3 times the price of regular bulbs.



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jim

01-06-2002 19:01:42




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 Re: Re: Flourescent Lights in the Cold in reply to Mark in Md, 01-06-2002 15:51:24  
normal flourescent lights won't light under 40 degrees. you can't replace just the tubes; it takes the entire fixture and yes they are more expensive to buy and operate. don't get rid of your old ones. if you can and do have the room install the second set and use when it gets cold and the regulars when it's warm. or just install some incandescent ones to aid in the cold.



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