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Matt Williams

01-04-2002 20:17:36




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Is it realy worth my money to pay for "top quality", (snap on, matco) hand tools like wrenches or should I save a lot of money and call Harbor Freight? Two or three sets of wrenches from (HF) cost about what one snap on wrench costs. Im not a pro, just a weekend warrior.




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brent

01-12-2002 12:15:30




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
i was in the shop for 10 years started with craftsman when they broke i replaced with snap on rachets breaker bars and sockets were the only problem



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Trucker

01-12-2002 02:34:29




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
If you want good tools for low price go to Sears.Buy as big a set as you can afford with the most stuff you think you might use,then take care of them and they will last.If you leave your wrenches laying around,dont really like to use them,buy cheap stuff.When you do that you will spend a lot more trying to fix stuff because you will round off bolts,break wrenches and get discouraged whenever you try to fix something and end up taking it to an unhappy guy with snap on tools to get apart and cost you more than if you took it to him to start with.Used to be a mechanic and saw this stuff everyday,used a lot of craftsman tools,but had some snapon wrenches for stuff that guys with cheap wrenches rounded off.Snap on wrench would take a bolt out that didnt hardly have a head left on it.Sometimes had to beat the wrench on the bolt to get it on and could break it loose most of the time.

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Nolan

01-08-2002 04:24:51




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
I'm grudgingly a Craftsman buyer. I say grudgingly because the stores have steadily gone downhill over the years with regards to their supply, and the price has gone way up. Their commercial line is sweet, but you can't walk into a Sears and swap them out if one fails.

Warranties are great, but I'd rather not be using the warranty all that often. Yes, Kmart brand tools have a lifetime warranty, but they still break the first time you work them hard. Craftsman tools tend not to break that fast (except for their blasted screwdrivers!)

I do vary greatly on tools I buy or would recommend. I've got a strange french set of wrenches that are fantastic. With allen wrenches, I buy cheap Buffalo Tool. They don't break any faster then Snap-On, and cost a whole lot less. If I can afford it, for screwdrivers I want Snap-On. I don't understand why I can put so much more torque down with them, but I can. In my 3/4" drive stuff, I have cheap china junk. The sockets and such are so meaty they make up for their lower quality and don't break. I also don't have to use them that often. Wrenches, I don't like the slick thin nature of Snap-on, they hurt my hands. I prefer thicker rougher handles for more traction and less pain, as such, Craftsman does me fine. Socket extensions and ratchets, I want Craftsman at the lowest end. Cheapies and lower names like Ace hardware and such break far too quickly for me.

Today, with the downhill slide of Sears and Craftsman, I find myself looking at the Home Depot and Lowes brand. Haven't bought from them, but I'm looking. I need another set of metric wrenches, and I'm not sure if I'll buy Craftsman or not this time.

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Tim Hartman

01-10-2002 19:22:49




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 Re: Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Nolan, 01-08-2002 04:24:51  
Husky tools are the way to go today. They are going to give you the best bang for you buck for several reasons. They are back by the Home Depot and an unconditional life time manufacture's warrenty. They are a top quality tool and sold at a very fair price. If I recall correctly they are less expensive than the kids toys that Lowes pushes.



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LarryG

01-07-2002 04:40:25




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
The only thing worse than not having a tool is to have cheap tools - you get into a job then they break. The latest Craftsman that I bought don't have the finish that my old ones have but I haven't had any problems with them. I think Home Depot's tools are OK, and SK Wayne (if they are still areound are good.) I think the ACE and True Value hardware store tools are OK as well, but probably no bargain.

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Glenn(WV)

01-06-2002 20:44:14




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
I have a small collection of Craftsman hand tools(wrenches, sockets, screwdrivers). I'd love to have a set of Snap-Ons, but the budget won't allow it; besides, I wouldn't use them enough to justify the cost. So far, I haven't had any problems with Craftsman. The price is right, and the warranty can't be beat IMHO.



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CRC

01-06-2002 16:23:02




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
When I first started accumulating tools about 20 years ago, everything I got was Craftsman mainly because they were the only ones easily available to me (homeowner/shadetree mechanic) that had a decent warranty.

About 1-2 years ago, I found myself in need of a set of 3/8" drive metric deep sockets. I motored over to our local Sears (a "franchise" store) and told them what I needed. I was handed a catalog and was told I would have to order them (I was recently back in the same store and noticed they now carry a much better selection of tools).

On a hunch, I stopped in at the Ace Hardware store only a few blocks from my house. I was quite impressed with the selection of hand tools they had. I ended up buying a set of Ace Hardware brand sockets that have the same lifetime warranty and the same fit and finish of any of my Craftsman stuff. There were more sockets in the set for a better price. I haven't had to use the warranty but, based on my other experiences with this store, I don't believe there will be any problems (of course, this may vary from store to store).

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Steve B

01-06-2002 05:22:36




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
Matt, Try these guys, SK tools to your door , Great fast service. WWW. Automotivetools.com



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Steve B

01-06-2002 05:20:43




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
Matt, Try these guys, SK tools to your door , Grat fast service.



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Dave_Id

01-05-2002 16:30:59




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
I just bought a nice combination set from Graingers, not made in America, but guaranteed all the same. I used to buy Craftsman until about 20 years ago, when they started producing crap. My brother who is a professional mechanic and everything is a Snapon once told me "sure Craftsman are guaranteed, but you want the tool to do the job, you don't want to have to run to Sears and get another replacement."

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DJ

01-05-2002 12:38:56




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
The cheap brand, like HF, and others are not going to make you happy in the long run. Some of them may take the force that Mac and Snap-on can, but do so at a price. That is they are way thicker and lot of times you can not get the wrench on the nut,



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Mac

01-05-2002 12:17:21




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
Sometimes a guy buys what he can afford, but watch the cheaper stuff. I have used craftsman for years. Mainly for price, convenience of obtaining them and they do have a pretty decent warranty as far as I am concerned. BUT. I do fudge a little on the ratchet handles tho and buy Williams.



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Terry in Mo.

01-05-2002 12:14:39




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
I have to vote for Craftsman. I ran a shop here at my house for a couple of years with a combination of Craftsman and Snap-On tools. I can honestly say that the Craftsman may not feel as comfortable and may be a little bulky and may not look as pretty but i broke alot more Snap-On tools than Craftsman and i sure got tired of chasing that damn bus around.In my opinion all tools have their good and bad points. Buy the best that you can afford.

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DumOleBob

01-05-2002 09:13:09




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
Frankly, for most of us it is a matter of "PERSONAL PRIDE". The really good stuff is also really too expensive. I carry a set of cheapo tools in rigs for on the job/road repairs and they work fine. So what if they get stolen, broken, borrowed - they still turn the nut!!


In my shop I like the look and feel of good tools. Kind of like a good Colt or S&W hand gun will really bowl 'em over, but a Saturday-Night-Special will kill just as dead!

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Brokenwrench

01-05-2002 06:43:59




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
I have a combination of both snap on and harbor freight. The wrenches from HF are very good quality, and I have been known to abuse them beyond belief, I also use their impact sockets and have never broken any of them even using a 3/4 drive impact on their 1/2 sockets. I also like the fact that if I need a "special wrench" I can take a torch to a HF wrench cut it bend it or what ever and not be out $75. to replace one wrench. I use SK ratchets, the HF ratchets aren't much, But neither are the snap ons I have 5 snap on ratchets withn the heads stripped, I won't fix them anymore, for heavy work they don't hold up. For your application I would say a couple sets of good quality HF wrenches and sockets,and some SK ratchets, I think you,ll be money ahead. You can get this done for the price of one set of Snap-on wrenches. I just paid $68. to replace one 15/16 snap on wrench I lost,( thats 2 sets of HF polished comb. wrenches 3/8 to 1 1/4)

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matt williams

01-05-2002 13:12:00




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 Re: Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Brokenwrench, 01-05-2002 06:43:59  
Thank you for the advice, it takes some balls to admit that HF are O.K. It seems that a lot of people on this board have much higher standards for hand tools than I do. I guess they have a lot more money too. Are the ratchets you mentioned available on the net, or do I have to find a supplier?--Thanks, Matt



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BUY CRAFTSMAN!!!!!!!(TP from Central PA)

01-05-2002 05:41:16




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
Everything(two items) I have got from Harbor broke in some shape or form. I would go with craftsman, just for the quality and waranty. Harbor tools have some sort of a waranty, but if there new wrenches broke like the ones I bought, you'll get tired of sending them back. If Craftsman's break, just a drive to Sears, and you bring home a new tool.

Personally, I would buy Craftsman wrenches, sockets, pliers, and other hand tools but go to MAC for ratchets and impact sockets, I also like Cornwell impact sockets.

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gatractorman

01-05-2002 04:16:39




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
Hey Matt In your situation I cant really see spending the money on tool truck brands, I'm a heavy equipment mechanic that uses Crapman uuhh I mean Craftsman I only buy specialty stuff off the trucks, for here at home I got alot of Harbor's stuff and it has served me well they all have lifetime warranty on them but you hafta send it off to BFE to get it replaced. So my advice is buy the best you can afford, on tool trucks you pay alot for convenience where they come to see you every week and I'm sure there is a Sears store relatively close to everyone, and mail order is great if you can wait a few days. So iff'in your gonna make a living with them buy a better quality tool if not I'd go with Harbor. Oh and BTW I have saw S-K stuff at Harbor they are good tools and Harbor has a good price on them and alot of your auto parts and hardware stores carry this line so it wouldn't be such a problem getting broken ones exchanged.

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Andy Traxel

01-04-2002 23:05:02




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
Remember tools only break when you're using them. At times like that the guarentee is not much help. I'd gladly pay for another one on the spot just to finish my job. So I never buy no-name tools and generally avoid house brands.

Snap-On sockets and wrench are unique to their brand. Snap-On also makes the Williams brand of industrial tools which are not the same. And they make a line called Kobalt for Lowe's.

Danaher owns Matco, Armstrong, K-D and maybe some brands I'm forgetting. They have also been the primary supplier of Craftsman tools in the past. I think there are fewer and fewer differences between their brands as time goes by.

Stanley owns Proto, Blackhawk, Mac, and New Britain brands. Until recently they also made the Husky brand for Home Depot. Depot seems to be getting out of the wrench and socket business, though. I think Stanley also did Master Mechanic and some other store brands. I think Mac and Proto stuff is different than the store brands of theirs. Stanley got in trouble with the FTC a while ago for stretching the "Made in USA" rules.

I wouldn't buy anything from Harbor Freight that wasn't a recogizable brand name and made in America.

There is a middle ground. SK and Wright tools are serious, quality brands made in America but not manufactured for the penny-pinching mass market. Probably split the price difference between wagon-pedalled brands and no-brand.

I have lots of SK tools and have been very satisfied. Except for their flare nut wrenches. SK is owned by a large French tool company called Facom but seem to be continuing to make their stuff here.

I've also been hearing good things about Wright tools. Some of their stuff seems a little bulky and heavy to me. But price has been very good on line at toolhub.com.

Andy

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RB/CT

01-05-2002 06:50:23




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 Re: Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Andy Traxel, 01-04-2002 23:05:02  
Attn Andy Traxel: Youre right, Stanley did get in trouble with the Made in USA brand. Nancy Johnson, a Congresswoman from Ct. tried to slide this through congress. (Selling China stuff with the Made in USA on it). they cut her short because they found out it was in her special interest because she owned 100,000 dollars worth of Stanley Stock. (Don't quote me on this) Stanley closed up in New Britain Ct., and sent everyone home. It is a vacant building except for some tape measures. they even sold there overhead door property. There tools you will find in Wal Mart, made in China. New Britain Machine also closed years ago. They made Husky and a couple of other brands. There hand tools from the 60's and 70's are high quality steel. I recently trade some 40 yr old Crapman tools in and got replacements no problem. they just charge twice as much but guarantee them. Thanks for the info on Lowes Kobalt tools, I bought a couple of sockets and they look good quality. I did not know Snap on was involved with them. Thanks for the information.

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J.O.L.

01-04-2002 21:45:52




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
Snap-On's motto is "there is a difference" Believe me this is true.At work i have all snap on so when it came time to get tools for my own shop i went with craftsman.They are all right but a while ago i was removing some bellhousing bolts with a very long extension plus a wobbly on the end and the socket would slip off the bolt.The next day i brought my snap on 9/16 home from work, it took it right off.I would suggest a set of snappy's 3/8 sockets, if you need flair nut wrenches do not get anything but snap on.Craftsman professional end wrenches are pretty good.Sears ratchets, extensions, punches and chisels are good but thier regular pliers suck!The jippo stuff like harbor freight scares me.Do not go any lower than craftsmen, it aint worth the paid skin off of ones knuckles. oh yeah pawn shops are also a good place to get good tools, but watch their prices - there greedy

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CJ

01-04-2002 20:30:39




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
I have both . A large set of Snap-On's from my days in the garage and a lot of other brands from my days on the road in a service van buying what I needed when I needed them. The Snappys are nice to use and great to look at but dollar for dollar the tools I have bought mostly from hardware stores and auto parts places do just as good a job. The cheap ones WILL break. Usually at the worst possible moment! I always tried to buy tools with a lifetime warranty. Not so much for the warranty but for the quality behind it. I am partial to Master Mechanic(True Value)Tools. Esp. durring their Tool Month sales. Good quality and a decent looking and feeling tool. Never liked Craftsman for the feel of their wrenches and ratchets. Just my opinion!

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Dan

01-04-2002 20:24:05




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 Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Matt Williams, 01-04-2002 20:17:36  
I don't use my tools professionally anymore, as a paid mechanic I mean but I don't like to buy realy cheap tools. I buy mostly Craftsman tools as I have good luck with them and they have a good warranty. I found a Craftsman 1/2 drive ratchet this fall that I lost in the field 3 yers ago and it has only surface rust in places, still works. My biggest problem with tools is loosing them I think. I have a cheap set of end wrenches I carry in the car but if I work on it at home I use my good tools, the others ar just to get by with. I think that snap on and mac are very good, if I were working as a mechanic again perhaps that is what I would buy as they are sometimes less bulky. Next is waht to buy now that things are going to metric.

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mike

01-04-2002 21:14:28




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 Re: Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Dan, 01-04-2002 20:24:05  
Do yourself a big favor and buy a set of "long" combination wrenches. MAC tools to make a living,20years, metric. Harbor freight Pittsburgh Sku#38910 to repair car, boat, Massey etc.,3years,SAE, no problems. Use your head, as Harbor has some crap.But I have had good luck with the better tools they sell. Mike



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the tractor vet

01-04-2002 20:34:50




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 Re: Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to Dan, 01-04-2002 20:24:05  
Snap ON ok Mac OK Craftsman OK Don't think much of Matco. They will break faster then Craftsman will and if you don't use them every day the go to sears and you will do fine , but spend the money on SK ratchesBut make sure that you get the profesional not the home owners one mine have lasted me since 1962 put a coupel head in the but it's still going. i have from 1/4 thru 3/4 .



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Stefan

02-12-2003 10:43:14




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 Re: Re: Re: hand tools, quality or cheapo in reply to the tractor vet, 01-04-2002 20:34:50  
I am not a mechanic, i am an electrician but at times i do have to use sockets and wrenches. My opinion of snap-on varies, they do have a lot of specialty tools available BUT they aren't all that great for the price. Snap On pliers are garbage, if ya work on cars use channies, myself i prefer Klein's . I live in canada where we have a brand called Gray tools and they are amazing. I bet you cant break one of their ratchets they are extremely tough. Anyways i will post the link for y'all.

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