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LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE,

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MN JOE

04-16-2009 08:51:34




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I have talked with several Realtors and asked what they can do for me if I list my Land with them, they said, will put it on line (MLS) and put an ad in the paper once in a while, for 5% of the sale price, but it has to be low enough for anyone to buy right now.

Now I can do that myself for 3 to 5 hundred, and it won't cost me thousands to sell, and when they say, if the price is low enough, why would I want to sell below market, just to make a realtor rich.

Realtor's Love Dumb property owners....

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jdemaris

04-17-2009 05:44:18




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
The real estate person didn't tell you anything out of line. Don't know if you actually spoke to a Realtor or not A Realtor is person who is a member of the Realtor's Association and many people who sell real estate are NOT members, and NOT Realtors.

If a property doesn't sell in 3 - 6 months, the asking price is higher than present market value. Nothing complicated about that. If you want to ask higher than market value, you can sit around for a few years or more, keep paying taxes, insurance, and upkeep, and see what happens.

5% is relatively low. Many won't list your land for less than 8% or 10% - but it's up to you to negotiate. Bare land is tougher to finance, sell and show, so the % is usually higher.

You say you can do all this yourself? If so, why did you even talk to a real estate person? I've done it both ways, and there certainly are advantages to using a good real estate salemsan, sales woman, or sales-inbetween?. Some potential buyers won't even speak to owners trying to sell on their own. You can also waste an awful lot of time showing your property to deadbeats who are not qualified to buy. There is also a lot to know about proper legal procedure to protect both the buyer and seller, along the way.

I learned many years ago, that when you see land "for sale by owner", you'd better watch out. It's a bargain sometimes (rarely), but more times than not, private sellers are asking rediculous prices way above market value, that no credible real estate person would waste any time on, listing.

Like any other profession, some real estate people are very skilled and worth hiring. Others are incompetent and idiots.

Remember, when you sign a listing agreement, it is a legal contract - and you can customize the agreement before you sign it. Many "standard form" listing contracts come three ways.

EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL means that no matter who sells your land, the real estate person gets the commission.

EXCLUSIVE AGENCY meanst that the real estate person only gets the money if he/she actuall found the buyer. This retains the right for you to sell on your own and NOT pay the real estate person a dime.

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MN JOE

04-17-2009 06:36:02




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to jdemaris, 04-17-2009 05:44:18  
jdemaris, I would not talk to any one but who is Licensed as a Realtor, I have asked high volume realtors what my property is worth on the market ,, they came back with (( any thing you ask, you'll get )) so I put them to the test, and they failed,

It looks like you haven't read a realtor's contract, in it it says, you can cancel any time for good reason.

I do not show high cost property to anyone who do not qualify, that's a no brainer, I simply ask for a letter from their bank as to qualifications of purchase, that weeds out the dead beat sight seers...

Thanks for your input,, we can always learn from each other ... and that's a plus ...

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jdemaris

04-17-2009 17:50:28




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 No such thing as a REALTOR� license. in reply to MN JOE, 04-17-2009 06:36:02  
You've got your terms all mixed up. Realtor is a registered trademark, not something legal. If a real estate agent wants to use the title, he/she has to pay dues and join the National Association of Realtors. There is NO license specific to that, it is NOT a legal entity.

www.realtor.org/

On the other hand, most states require a person to pass a test and get licensed to sell real estate under a licensed broker. Or, if selling alone, the person needs a state broker's license. That is a person with a real estate license, NOT a Realtor. A Realtor can be licensed by the state, but having a state license does NOT make a person a Realtor. Many people involved in real estate are NOT Realtors�.

In regard to me not reading a real estate contracts? I've read hundreds, perhaps more. I was licensed in the state of New York as a real estate salesman/agent for years. Also worked as a title searcher/abstracter. I also do the web-advertising for two real estate companies and a state licensed broker, and have also written many listing and purchase contracts. If anything, I'm well versed on the subject. At least for New York, New Jersey, and Michigan laws.

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MN JOE

04-18-2009 05:06:15




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 Re: No such thing as a REALTOR� license. in reply to jdemaris, 04-17-2009 17:50:28  
That may be very true where you live, but in Minnesota, using the title, Realtor, requires a License, says the Minnesota Dept. of Commerce. Your saying I have my terms mixed up ?????

YOU SAY<, a Realtor with a Realtor License is not a Realtor,, (( PLEASE TELL ME, what is he/she being Licensed as a Realtor ????? ?))

Each States has their Laws,



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jdemaris

04-18-2009 07:07:48




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 You are making stuff up as you go along in reply to MN JOE, 04-18-2009 05:06:15  
Are you just trying to fabricate arguments with things I've never said or wrote?

That is NOT what I said, you know it, and it's right there in digital print and is easy to verify. You are putting "words in my mouth."

REALTOR is a brand-name, just like John Deere, Ford and Chevy are brand names.

Ford and Chevy both must pass EPA and safety regulations to legally sell cars and trucks - but . . . that does not mean anybody else selling a car or truck has to be a Ford or a Chevy.

REALTOR is simply a registered brand name for a company. There are others, and nobody has to join. But, in most states, anybody, regardless of what they call themselves, must get a state license to sell real estate they don't own if getting paid for it. So, that includes somebody calling themselves a REALTOR along with everybody else. Joe Blow can call his company JOE BLOW PROPERTIES, and in most states he must get licensed. That does NOT make him a REALTOR.
If Joe Blow decides to join that particular club, then he IS a REALTOR and it has nothing to do with the state of Minnesota.

The State of Minnesota uses the legal term of REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON and REAL ESTATE BROKER. Nothing for the brand-name REALTOR.

I just got done reading through all the Minnesota Statues that apply to real estate sales, and they are pretty much exactly what New York uses.

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MarkB_MI

04-18-2009 06:06:50




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 Re: No such thing as a REALTOR� license. in reply to MN JOE, 04-18-2009 05:06:15  
Granted, Minnesota is so removed from mainstream America it might as well be part of Canada. But just the same they don't seem to have "Realtor" licenses. The MN Dept of Commerce lists several different types of real estate licenses:

Abstracter
Broker
Campground Agent
Closing Agent
Limited Broker
Real Estate Company
Salesperson

But no "Realtor". Like JD said, Realtor is an organization, not a license. One can be a licensed real estate agent in any state without being a Realtor. I'm not familiar with the requirements be a Realtor, but I would imagine that all Realtors must first be licensed real estate agents.

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MarkB_MI

04-17-2009 03:37:30




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
I've known a few folks who tried selling their own property. They all ended up listing with realtors in the end. Your mileage may vary.



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135 Fan

04-16-2009 23:33:36




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
Don't trust a realtor! They are in the same category as most lawyers and politicians. Get everything in writing before you decide on one. They will tell you anything and lie to you to get the sale. MLS is usually 7% but is negotiable. Don't let the realtor that is selling be the realtor for the buyer, ever! Don't use the same lawyer for the seller and buyer, unless, it is a really straight forward deal. Since that rarely happens, use different lawyers. I could write a book on how so called top realtors have given me the gears and I've only had a few dealings dealings with them. It's easy to lower the price but pretty hard to raise it up. Talk to people who have dealt with the realtor you're considering but not with the realtor present. If the realtor won't give you a bunch of names, find another realtor. Maybe they have a company that helps people sell their own property there that saves a lot on the commision? A lot of people became realtors because they are lazy. Dave

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Buzzman72

04-16-2009 21:46:28




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
When I bought my home 15 years ago, I'd never owned before, I'd always rented. Found a place we liked, came to a meeting of the minds with the seller. The realtor steered me towards a mortgage broker, who kept putting me off and kept telling me I'd have to raise my downpayment to get financed. After putting up with this song-and-dancefor about three weeks, I finally told the mortgage broker to stuff it, and went to my local bank...which approved our mortgage in a matter of a few days.

My guess is the realtor was getting a kickback from the mortgage broker, and wasn't looking out for my interests. Now I know better than to trust the realtor.

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Eric SEI

04-17-2009 19:46:33




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to Buzzman72, 04-16-2009 21:46:28  
Remember, the real estate agent works for the seller, not the buyer. Even when you have your own agent, the seller is paying him.

Depending on where you live, the MLS listing may be very valuable. If there are companies nearby that transfer employees, many times the people being transfered will look at listed houses before they arrive in the new town. For sale by owner will only be seen by people who are local.

If we were trying to sell, the only people who would see our property FSBO would be people looking for a house in our county. If listed in MLS, anybody transferring to Cincinnati would see our listing. A much greater chance that someone would see the listing and love it.

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Here's How..John,PA

04-16-2009 20:07:22




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
1. Don't be a hurry.
2. Advertisement in Large City Paper..Classified.

3. Older Couple wish to scale down, this way:

Ask 3 times more than YOU ever expect to get.
"Just pay me monthly, now. I am in no hurry.
After I find a place I want, keep paying me monthly.

Works for me.

John,PA I charge NO interest!



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RobMD

04-16-2009 17:26:12




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
In actuality, around here, many lots have BETTER luck being sold by the owner with a for sale sign rather than a realtor.



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glennster

04-16-2009 14:16:53




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
what ever you do, get your own attorney o handle the real estate transaction. typical cost is 3-500 dollars. saves you a lot of headaches. also you can also do a "pocket " listing with a realator at a reduced comisson generally 1-1/2 to 3 percent. its not a full listing with all the hoopla, but the realator knows the property is for sale and shows it for you. they handle the paperwork and sale at a reduced rate, but still get an attorney.

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Michael Soldan

04-16-2009 13:56:56




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
MN Joe, you don't need any vulture realator getting thousands of dollars of your money for doing what you can do.
We bpught our cottage on the lake without a realator, I approached the owner and after some discussion told her I did not want a realator involved, I brought "Offer to Purchase" forms from my lawyer, we discussed the price, agreed, agreed to closing dates, what chattles stayed with the property, etc, and signed the Offer forms, a copy to each of our lawyers and the deal was done, lawyer handles the payment to her and the signing over and registry of the deed for $750. No realator got $10,000 for doing squat. Put up a for sale sign, put a few ads in the local papers, you'll do as good as a realator will.

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usetabesteve

04-16-2009 13:48:16




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
At least get an estimate of value from a couple of ACTIVE real estate agents - the people who are actually selling stuff. They are likely to be closer to the sale price than an appraiser will be.

Your ego can cost you a lot of money when you think you know everything and no one else knows anything. BTDT.



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MN JOE

04-16-2009 17:36:13




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to usetabesteve, 04-16-2009 13:48:16  
That has been one of my biggest problems,, I have asked a few top notch realtors, and they told me, any thing I ask, I'll get, so I put them to the test,, and they failed me ...



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usetabesteve

04-17-2009 09:32:31




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 17:36:13  
That's the other problem. If I talk to people dumber than I am I get bad advice. BTDT, too.

You might ask your banker what property is actually selling for. There has to be someone you can trust that would know. Overeager real estate agents and nosy neighbors may not be reliable.

Muhammad Ali had the advice business figured out. Ali had obviously seen a lot of fighters make a lot of money but end up broke. He said that when he was working with someone that only made money when he (Ali) made money things came out better.

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MN JOE

04-17-2009 10:08:35




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to usetabesteve, 04-17-2009 09:32:31  
That's one of my problems, the bankers I talked to, did not know, and said to go see a realtor, or appraiser would do it for a large payment,

The home we have, it's in a TOP Prime location, the same home in some parts with junky neighbors would be much less in value.

people keep telling me == you can buy a house anyplace, but Location = Location = Location, is the key, same with a business.

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usetabesteve

04-17-2009 13:18:53




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-17-2009 10:08:35  
You have to translate the code - those bankers are telling you they aren't seeing a real market trend. Spotty sales for widely varying prices make bankers really antsy, and that's what most markets have had this past year. Bankers like smooth consistency. The wife and I have not had very good luck with appraisers. We buy, own, and operate rental property.



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MN JOE

04-17-2009 17:43:24




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to usetabesteve, 04-17-2009 13:18:53  
I believe what you say about appraisers, when I've talked to them,,, don't seem they know what their talking about as far as value is concerned or using the location value, what they do most, is use the construction rules as per foot of building costs,, plus estimated opinion of value, they don't seem to take in account the area of the location for some reason.



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dr sportster

04-16-2009 13:42:02




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
Your a FISBO,realtors will still try to annoy you.Or at least leave their bus.cards in your mailbox.



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jimva

04-16-2009 10:39:16




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
Sounds to me like you talked to a lazy Realtor.

I did the for sale by owner thing on my father inlaws place. NEVER AGAIN will i do that. Phones calls in the middle of the night, people showing up walking through the place saying what a dump it was, or people not show up or your asking to much, or they want to buy it and you spend the time getting paperwork and contract ready only to have them say oh we found something else. Or the best thing is you have someone want to buy it, put a contract on it (you spend the time) only to find out they arent qualified. I could go on and on. It was the worst 2 months of my life.

Finally I talked to my brother who is a contractor and I used his realtor to list the property.She sold it within 3 weeks. All i had to do was show up at the closing with my Wife. One thing that i learned is a Realtor will not even give a For Sale by Owner property the time of day.

A Good Realtor puts up with all this Bull Sh!t so you dont have too. They also work with other realtors in listing and showing the property. Hold the open houses, work with getting potential buyers prequalified before putting a contract on the place. Lines up Home Inspectors, Termite etc (thats here in Virginia).

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DScott

04-16-2009 11:20:55




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to jimva, 04-16-2009 10:39:16  

jimva said: (quoted from post at 10:39:16 04/16/09) Sounds to me like you talked to a lazy Realtor.
I did the for sale by owner thing on my father inlaws place. NEVER AGAIN will i do that. Phones calls in the middle of the night, people showing up walking through the place saying what a dump it was, or people not show up or your asking to much, or they want to buy it and you spend the time getting paperwork and contract ready only to have them say oh we found something else. Or the best thing is you have someone want to buy it, put a contract on it (you spend the time) only to find out they arent qualified. I could go on and on. It was the worst 2 months of my life.
Finally I talked to my brother who is a contractor and I used his realtor to list the property.She sold it within 3 weeks. All i had to do was show up at the closing with my Wife. One thing that i learned is a Realtor will not even give a For Sale by Owner property the time of day.

A Good Realtor puts up with all this Bull Sh!t so you dont have too. They also work with other realtors in listing and showing the property. Hold the open houses, work with getting potential buyers prequalified before putting a contract on the place. Lines up Home Inspectors, Termite etc (thats here in Virginia).

I agree. I sold my house and acreage a couple of years ago and my agent listed it in the MLS, had a nice full color brochure made up, had aerial photos made, had ads on TV, put up big signs, had open houses and had videos of the place on the web all at his expense. He spent a lot of his money on the place. He showed up numerous times to show the place (some of which turned out to be a waste of time/nuts) and kept me updated almost daily as to what was happening. He left no stone unturned. When we got a contract on the place and there was some repairs to be made, he was on site and oversaw them. It's hard to impress me but this guy was a hard worker. It takes a lot to sell property in todays market unless you have a bargain basement price on it and/or terms. I was very fortunate to sell my place for the price that I did and having a good real estate agent was the reason. When we first started talking about selling the place I really didn't want to pay the commission because I have dealt with several Realtors that I wasn't too impressed with but it turned out that this guy earned it.
That is my most recent real estate experience.

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dhermesc

04-16-2009 12:30:08




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to jimva, 04-16-2009 10:39:16  
I would agree.

A good realtor will know who's buying and who's wasting people's time. If you have Annie Homemaker who sells houses part time to get out of the house its a waste of money - she's doing what you could do for yourself.

If you have a real mover and shaker he'll have a list of potential buyers that will make it happen. A sales person's value is in who they know - not in what they sell. My brother in law is constantly making connections as a salesman for John Deere. Someone will trade a combine and he'll have several more sales and trades lined up knowing who's looking for exactly that combine and who will want what they are trading. Its not uncommon for him to make three deals in a day all based off an one big sale coming togather that morning. Guys think they got "shorted" when they learn their trade was sold when it hit the lot. Problem is they could never have made the connection with the guy three counties over who wants to trade a grain cart.

Craigslist is good for somethings but if you are listing a $600,000 peice of property before the $800 trailer house and after the time share property offered by the Libyans wanting a cashiers check you'll be judged by the company you keep.

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Davis SC

04-16-2009 10:21:31




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
Be prepared for the Carlton Sheets School students that have all kinds of deals to offer. Some of the offers are so stupid they are funny. I was in charge of an estate with a very nice house and acreage. I man stopped by one day, and offered to do me a "favor"... He wanted to buy the place, no money down, no payments for a year, and I give him 20 thousand to fix the place up... A real estate agent will keep you from having to deal with whackos like that guy...

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Butch(OH)

04-16-2009 09:24:57




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
"Realtors Love Dumb Property Owners"

You got that right Joe!! The agents will give you 300 reasons why you need them and all their buddies in the business to sell your property but the truth of the matter (at least in Ohio) is you can still transfer a property with only a recordable agreement between the current owner and proposed purchaser assuming there are no liens involved. Last time I bought a property the total closing costs were less than $100 for a lawyer type to witness the actual transaction.

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MN JOE

04-16-2009 11:17:02




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to Butch(OH), 04-16-2009 09:24:57  
Thanks Butch, all I do is,, when I find some one interested, I ask them for a letter from their Bank, stating if they qualify with good credit,, then I show the place, that keeps the sight seers far away, then,, when I have a buyer,, I get a (no refund) down payment to hold until the attorney gets every thing in order, I cannot believe how dumb sellers are, who love spending thousands of dollars just cause they don't have common sense ...

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Bob - MI

04-16-2009 08:56:20




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to MN JOE, 04-16-2009 08:51:34  
Put it on Craig"s List. No cost and it works 24 hrs a day. If it doesn"t sell, you can always go the more expensive route later.



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Charles (in GA)

04-16-2009 16:59:57




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to Bob - MI, 04-16-2009 08:56:20  
Real Estate is Craigslist"s bread and butter, in the larger markets they charge a fee for real estate listings, not sure about smaller markets. The real estate ads pay for all those free ads you see for everything else under the sun.

Charles



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MN JOE

04-16-2009 11:11:11




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to Bob - MI, 04-16-2009 08:56:20  
Good Advise Bob,,, I did just that after you have me the good information,,, it's worth listening to good advice. thankyou...



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mjbrown

04-16-2009 10:10:14




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to Bob - MI, 04-16-2009 08:56:20  
Just beware of scammers on there. They will offer to pay far more than you are asking and promise to have their shipping agents come pick it up.



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MN JOE

04-16-2009 11:20:22




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to mjbrown, 04-16-2009 10:10:14  
I like scammers,,,, when I get there money order check,, I produce a new account with it,,, and ask for extra money to ship,,, and of course no refunds given when they get an empty box..



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Snunker

04-16-2009 11:18:52




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to mjbrown, 04-16-2009 10:10:14  
Pretty hard to have real estate "picked up"!



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Stan in Oly, WA

04-16-2009 13:26:22




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 Re: LISTING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SALE, in reply to Snunker, 04-16-2009 11:18:52  
Dam-, you're quick.



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