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greg

12-18-2001 15:25:08

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Have recently purchased a sioux valve refacer. The grinding head is driven by a flat belt with the dimensions of: 1" wide X 29 5/8" long X 1/16 thick. Sioux says the belt thickness should be 1/64". I can't find a belt of these dimensions anywhere near me in Western NY. Have tried a couple "belting manufacturers" in Buffalo, but nobody wants to know nuthin' when they see it.Sioux part # is allegedly 14419, but I don't know if that is accurate, as Sioux claims that this is a discontinued #. Someone suggested a leather belt with metal lacing, but I don't think the lacing or the leather will handle 6000 plus RPM. Automotive serpentine belts can't be had that short in 1" wide. Also the pulleys are aluminum, so that compounded the problem of metal belt lacing. Changing pulleys might be an option, but the drive pulley on the motor has 3 belts on it; this belt, a v belt for the chuck drive, and a v belt for the coolant pump drive. The grinding head (driven) end has a really small flat pulley with a large center arbor. I would really like to retain the flat drive belt if possible. I sure hope someone can HELP with this thing. In advance, Thank you.

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bob

12-20-2001 17:18:00

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Re: Belt in reply to greg, 12-18-2001 15:25:08

greg are you dealing with sioux dealers they made them in Sioux City ,Ia. the plant is still open for short time they have sold out to Snap ON their adress is sioux tool service co. 417 Floyd Blvd. SIOUx City Ia. 51101 phone no is 712 258 2934 Hope this helps you bob

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Ray,IN

12-19-2001 19:33:36

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Re: Belt in reply to greg, 12-18-2001 15:25:08

Are you sure? 1/64" = 0.015" = fifteen thousandths of one inch. That is very thin for any drive belt.

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greg

12-20-2001 03:42:31

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Re: Re: Belt in reply to Ray,IN, 12-19-2001 19:33:36

That's what I thought, too! A nearby supplier of Sioux tools told me those dimensions "from his catalog" , but also says it is discontinued. The old belt I have is closer to 1/16 or slightly more. Thank you all for your help and legwork so far. Greg

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Nathan(GA)

12-19-2001 20:10:25

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Re: Re: Belt in reply to Ray,IN, 12-19-2001 19:33:36

That's what I thought! Curious to know. A dang rubber band is thicker than that.

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Pollack Pete

12-19-2001 13:11:29

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Re: Belt in reply to greg, 12-18-2001 15:25:08

I bought some 1 in. wide flat belts recently from McMaster-Carr.They sell them with the ends glued together,almost any length you want.They have a web site with on-line ordering.

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greg

12-20-2001 03:49:31

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Re: Re: Belt in reply to Pollack Pete, 12-19-2001 13:11:29

Thank you. I will see if I can find their site and check out my options.

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K-Mo

12-19-2001 08:27:39

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Re: Belt in reply to greg, 12-18-2001 15:25:08

Greg,
I bought a simular belt (1"W x about 19-3/4"L)from Frank N. Wood Corp. for a TruCut Armature turner. You might give them a try. You never know. Half the fun is the search.

Frank N. Wood Corp.
P.O. Box 945
Waukesha, WI 53187
414-821-9330

Good Luck,
K-Mo

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greg

12-20-2001 03:52:09

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Re: Re: Belt in reply to K-Mo, 12-19-2001 08:27:39

I will be sure to check this one out. Customer is waiting for his 2955, and other work is on the phone waiting for the outcome of this dilemma.

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Dusty

12-19-2001 06:18:01

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Re: Belt in reply to greg, 12-18-2001 15:25:08

Maybe a shoe repair shop could make a leather one.

Good Luck,
Dusty

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greg

12-20-2001 03:59:11

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Re: Re: Belt in reply to Dusty, 12-19-2001 06:18:01

Thanks for the reply, our local shoe repair dude just went belly up and left the area, packing all his inventory with him. If my other options run out, I may try this. I guess another might be to harness a pair of good stout squirrels, throw them on a treadmill, and sic my dog after 'em. This will definitely be THE last resort.

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Tom

12-18-2001 18:34:32

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Re: Belt in reply to greg, 12-18-2001 15:25:08

Try turning a gear belt inside out, works good on lathes replaceing leather belts. I think it would stand the speed OK.

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greg

12-20-2001 03:55:10

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Re: Re: Belt in reply to Tom, 12-18-2001 18:34:32

I looked into serpentine auto belts, but belts wide enough weren't short enough. I didn't try cogged timing belts, but assume the same problem may arise. I'll try it. Thank you.

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Tom

12-21-2001 17:37:17

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Re: Re: Re: Belt in reply to greg, 12-20-2001 03:55:10

Timming belts are made at least to 3/8 width, maybe 1/4". You just need a catalog or dealer.

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Jim K

12-18-2001 16:46:28

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Re: Belt in reply to greg, 12-18-2001 15:25:08

Greg see if you can find a belt company in your area one that does conveyor belts and they should be able to make any size that you want.In any thickness or width.

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greg

12-20-2001 03:46:33

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Re: Re: Belt in reply to Jim K, 12-18-2001 16:46:28

I tried that, and they didn't want any part of it. I think they were concerned with durability as it wasn't anything they had done that was tried and true. They turned me away point blank. Thanks for your help. though.

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paul

12-18-2001 16:05:56

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Re: Belt in reply to greg, 12-18-2001 15:25:08

Did a google.com search, was thinking of JD Belts but couldn't remember their name - only do V belts (but a good source for us farmers!).

Found www.globalspec.com - got 45 hits on flat belts close to your specs, but didn't remember the numbers exactly, and didn't bother to register to see if any were actually close.

--->Paul

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greg

12-20-2001 03:48:13

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Re: Re: Belt in reply to paul, 12-18-2001 16:05:56

Thanks. I will try them.

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Chicken George

12-20-2001 08:20:53

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Re: Re: Re: Belt in reply to greg, 12-20-2001 03:48:13

Greg, A timing belt turned inside out WILL work well at that RPM they come in 1" wide and by 1/2" increments. 29 " shouldn't be hard to find 295H100 Industrial Dayco. 295= 29 1/2", H100= 1" wide they are made in metric also and you might be able get the5/8"in metric(29 5/8). An industrial belting supply will have a listing for "timing Belts".Is there any adjustment? GRANGER will have belts let us know we will come up with something for you.I would shy away from a metal laced belt, too much RPM's where are you located? we at Ford motor in MI. have a supplier that makes FLAT BELTS and conveyor belting for us,it is glued/fuzed endless real good stuff and reasonable I don't have a # here at home but I can get it for you. They go by "SKINNER Belting" Later, Geo

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greg

12-20-2001 19:15:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Belt in reply to Chicken George, 12-20-2001 08:20:53

Thanks, George. I have followed up on another supplier on another post, but if things don't work out as anticipated, I will keep yoursuggestion at the top of my list for future reference. I'll tell you what, everyone who visits this site is SOOOOO helpful it is unbelievable that so many people can share the same avid interest in pursuing the hobby that we all seem to love so much. Too bad we couldn't get more of America's youth to follow this hobby. Years ago cars were a good way for young adults to tinker and experiment, and more importantly, learn a multitude of skills by playing with cars. Due to the auto's complexity in the last 15-20 years, it's real tough to find a young person with enough financial base to make a hobby with cars much fun at all. These tractors can be pricey,too, but you can also make this hobby as cheap or expensive as you want. Sorry for rambling on so, thanks.

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