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SteveB

01-04-1999 12:33:39

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I am interested in purchasing an arc welder for an upcoming project that will require some fairly serious welding. I have a wire feed type welder but know this doesn't have the capabilities I need to weld 1/4" and thicker material. I have looked at AC and AC/DC + and - welders. I am leaning toward the latter as they supposedly will perform better on vertical and overhead welds. Any comments or suggestions. I would like to stay below $450.00. Thanks in advance. SteveB

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Dave

03-02-1999 14:00:23

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Re: Arc Welder in reply to SteveB, 01-04-1999 12:33:39

Look in back lots and around old farms. I picked up a WW2 HOBART that has a Willy's industrial engine for $300.00 last year and the fellow threw in all the supplies on the place (about 4tons in rod alone). Had to fix the governor, but PIERCE is still in business (they were a little surprised as the blueprints were signed off in 1941). Runs strong and will weld things you cannot imagine.

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signman

01-04-1999 14:45:28

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Re: Arc Welder in reply to SteveB, 01-04-1999 12:33:39

Steve don't waste your money an one of those cheap AC/DC welders that are filled with aluminum without a duty cycle or amperage to do the job on the DC side. I'm talking about the Miller, Century and Lincoln's that are 250AC But, only 130 to 150 DC. If you want a decent one you need to go to One that is 250 on both AC/DC. Your best buy yet is one of those good solid copper AC welders that you can buy used and use a quality Rod. Those old Forneys or Century welders will make a lot of these new AC/DC welders hide in shame with the proper rods. If you need more info Email me.

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LAI

01-05-1999 18:50:05

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Re: Re: Arc Welder in reply to signman, 01-04-1999 14:45:28

I just wanted to put in my input. The old Foreneys are fine machines, I had one for years, hek it was the first weldler on our farm 40 some years ago. Get real, these old machines are getting old and the tranformers are getting hard to replace not to mention the are expensive. I have a Lincoln 225 AC/DC (crackerjack box). I have had it for 15 years welded I don't know how much thick steel and the thing welds like it was new. I weld 23/8 and 27/8 inch pipe with no problem. I repair heavy machinary with this machine without a worry. Use 6010 (5p) by Lincoln and you will love it on DC. Another point most of the time yoy don't weld longer then 20% when your welding anyway. I don't care what kind of machine it is, it all goes back to the person running that bead. I have welded many,many years and I am here to tell you the brand name don't make the project you do. Oh by the way this will make the others run backwards, I also have a Wards welders that kicks butt. I have'nt had anything fall apart yet. I am done.

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digger_doug

01-06-1999 12:21:29

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Re: Re: Re: Arc Welder in reply to LAI, 01-05-1999 18:50:05

i agree with LAI, i have a miller ac/dc buzzbox,
around $400.00. smoothest i have ever used.
my friend runs a shop with a couple of these, never
stops to let 'em cool down. never had any problems.
yes, he gets on a trailer or rack job and pours on
the 7014 with it all the way up, for the money
and how frequent it will be used (part time).
i don't think an industrial machine is needed.
i know, i had an old westinghouse 700 amp brute.
sold it and now have more room. sure the buzzbox growls, pay no attention to the noise and weld.

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signman

01-06-1999 05:41:28

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Re: Re: Re: Arc Welder in reply to LAI, 01-05-1999 18:50:05

I'll agree with you LAI on the fact that the welder is not as important as the operators experience. As far as the quality of some of these welders (that I service and sell in over 600 shops) there is a difference in the quality of the weld due to the quality of the winding. That Wards welder is probably, since most were, built by Century the same as many of thhe CBR's, John Deere and Five point. As far as duty cycle many people believe that since they stop intermintently that they don't need to be concerned. When in fact that 20% cycle means weld 2 minutes rest for 8. This is the industry standard for comparing how much heat is built up in the unit before damaging components. It is the quality of component that control that heat build up. You want to compare apples to apples you need to look at duty cycle. As far as rods that is something you need to see not read. There are rods that will take those old $89 Lincolns and make them weld in any position as easily as a DC welder with a production rod. There has been a lot of technology gained in the rod industry that you can't buy at your local farm store.

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Ed Friedhaber

01-06-1999 12:49:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Arc Welder in reply to signman, 01-06-1999 05:41:28

Hi Signman,
Interesting post. I have a 15yr old Lincoln 225amp AC welder.

What kind of rod were you talking about? If you know of a type/maker of rod that would be good for AC vertical welding, please let me know!
Thanks,
Ed

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JohnInVA

01-07-1999 10:33:58

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Arc Welder in reply to Ed Friedhaber, 01-06-1999 12:49:17

All you have to do to weld vertical is "cheat" a little.
Using the 6011 Lincoln rod and the buzz boz or better machine, just weld down instead of up.

It works, try it. The 6011 can burn through the flux should it get in the way (sometimes the flux will "run down" in front of the weld).
Fluxes on rods such as 7018, and 7014 rods makes this process a little harder to do, but, I have still done it with those rods.
We are not welding nuclear submarines here, I know the weld "might" not be perfect. I saw a guy pass a Navy Cert. test using 6011, welding vert. down and NEVER chipped the flux til he was done. So it can be done.
Try it you will be impressed with your welding ability!!
John

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txwelder

03-31-1999 13:25:35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Arc Welder in reply to JohnInVA, 01-07-1999 10:33:58

a.w.s. should outlaw 6011!!! use 6010 called 5p+

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LAI

01-06-1999 20:40:11

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Arc Welder in reply to Ed Friedhaber, 01-06-1999 12:49:17

I like to use 6011 from lincoln. I can't remember the number code for the rod. I have used alot of the different rods in the 6011 feild I still like the lincoln brand. It seams to freeze faster than other brands. I am sure there are some other brands out there.

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LAI

01-06-1999 20:25:16

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Arc Welder in reply to Ed Friedhaber, 01-06-1999 12:49:17

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frank

01-05-1999 21:33:39

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Re: Re: Re: Arc Welder in reply to LAI, 01-05-1999 18:50:05

Had a Lincoln 225 Burned it up after 10 years of use in shop every day all day. Replaced it with Century 250 AC/DC 15 years ago still going strong. Don't use it all the time now, as I bought a 250 amp wire machine from Miller.

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George

01-04-1999 16:16:46

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Re: Re: Arc Welder in reply to signman, 01-04-1999 14:45:28

I have an old old old Forney. I have used this old thing for years With 7018 and 7014 rod I have built many projects and kept a fleet of farm equipment repaired.

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