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Chris

10-29-2001 14:37:01




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Hello,
My name is Chris Brown and I am currently being trained as a welder at Jefferson County Joint Vocational School. And, I want to get into antique tractors as a hobby. So, I know that tractor frames are heavy duty, so a stick welder would be good there. But, then for the body it is kinda thin. So a GTAW(tig) welder would be good there. I was thinking about a Miller Econotig, can some else send me some suggestions?
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Chris

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PeterS

10-30-2001 09:31:07




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 Re: Which Welder. in reply to Chris , 10-29-2001 14:37:01  
Get an Oxy-Acetylene welding/cutting outfit with as large a variety of tips as you can get. I esp. recommend a rosebud tip for heating things up quickly (also works well for emptying out your gas supplies). Once you learn to weld with a gas torch the skills are easily transferred to TIG. Practice,practice,practice. Then practice some more. Learn how to cut by practicing on scrap. Cutting is a skill that many can do but few can do well. Good burners are always in demand. Buy your tanks if you can, renting always ends up costing more than purchasing. Sometimes you can find them used at good prices. They are marked with test dates and suppliers cannot fill them if they are too old and will insist on a $25-$30 retest(5-6 months rental). Good luck.

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keith

10-29-2001 19:57:32




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 Re: Which Welder. in reply to Chris , 10-29-2001 14:37:01  
I would suggest Lincoln. I am not a schill in any way for them but I have had Hobart and miller and Lincoln and they stand up best for me.



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T_Bone

10-29-2001 16:17:30




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 Re: Which Welder. in reply to Chris , 10-29-2001 14:37:01  
Hi Chris,

For a all around welding machine, I would consider
a CC, CV as a minium. That way you can add what ever you want at a latter time, GMAW, GTAW, SMAW,?.

You can always add a scratch start Tig torch at any time. You don't need HF or gas solenoid valves nor wet torch. The Tig hot lead just clamps between the rod holder jaws, for current flow. The gas on/off flow is controled buy a sliding gas valve on the torch handle and you will need a flow meter. I welded a many miles with this set-up.

Thin sheet metal can also be welded with a oxy/act torch. Works very well with a small tip and stress releives the metal as you weld which is what most tractor SM needs because of the viberation. You can also weld thick plate with the same results.

You also might want to do a search on this website and see whats been talked about on welding. Alot of good info from experience is posted!

Good luck with your schooling and most of all have fun!

T_Bone

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DrCyKosis@Hotmail.com

10-29-2001 15:07:23




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 Re: Which Welder. in reply to Chris , 10-29-2001 14:37:01  
With most TIGs you can readily stick weld off them as well. The stick machines are definetly the most versital machines out there and the most affordable. TIGs can get very very expensive depending on capabilities you desire and also require other things such as a bottle of shield gas of your choice, a regulator and consumables such as tungsten. Have your big checkbook handy.

The best route to go I think would be to go on and buy you a good quality stick welder but be sure it has AC and DC capability and a fine adjustment if possible. Later on you can buy just a TIG torch and get a gas bottle and regulator and TIG off the same machine using DC. You won't have near the control of a fancy TIG machine with a remote but you can get a lot done with a little practice.

I currently use a similar set up that I run off my portable unit. Since I already had Argon on my rig for running Aluminum wire through a spool gun (MIG), it was very easy and inexpensive to add a TIG torch. I found a complete torch assembly at a tool autcion for $12.50 and just clip it to the stick weld stinger and the hook up to the gas outlet for the MIG, and vilola, instant TIG.

I currently have my portable all rigged out on a tandem trailer and can travel any where and do just about anything with most any metal. I also carry a large chop saw, air compressor and 3/4" capacity Plasma cutter besides the oxy / accetylene torch to handle cutting chores. My little rig makes most any job possible whether it sitting in a shop or broke down on the roadside.

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Ray

10-29-2001 15:02:13




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 Re: Which Welder. in reply to Chris , 10-29-2001 14:37:01  
Chris
A tig welder is great but a nice wirefeed (mig) is a lot more versatile when it comes to bodywork and sheetmetal. Welding is a great trade to learn and it is always changing, so keep up the studies and Good Luck



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Chris

10-29-2001 20:44:39




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 Re: Re: Which Welder. in reply to Ray, 10-29-2001 15:02:13  
Thanks everybody for the responces. Could somebody tell me what parts I would need for the conversion of the Stick welder to a Tig welder. I know a bottle of argon, regulator, the torch itself, tungsten, Please help. Also, if you could give me the part numbers, that would help alot.
Thanks,
Chris



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