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What type of shop heater??

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Dave C

10-26-2001 10:13:49

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I am trying to decide what type of portable heater to get to use in my uninsulated barn shop. The kerosene torpedo heaters are pretty cheap to run but are noisy and pretty smelly. How about the LP convection heaters? I could use the same tanks as for my grill and it would be quiet. An 80,000 btu convection sells for about $140. Would that work in my 20' x 20' shop with wood walls and 8 foot ceilings or should I just get a torpedo? Thanks for your help!

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BlueLite

10-31-2001 17:17:14

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

Get one of those stand up space heaters of the
60 and 70's. You'll need some 8in stove pipe. Get the carburetor overhauled before you use
it even if the seller says it's working fine.
Travel trailer outlets can do the job for you.

You'll need some 3/8 copper line from a 45 gal
drum outside for fuel. Solder a brass valve cock (these don't have any washers inside to wear out
and are solid brass) on the tank and put a reservoir type plastic filter after it.

To catch potential drips, build yourself a tin pan to sit the stove on. It should be long enough to go from under the carb to the front of the stove, and wide enough for the stove. It should be 1-1/2 in high.

These heaters are everywhere and were replaced by the forced air furnaces they use today. They were used to heat houses and we had one upstairs and one downstairs for 15 years until
our changeover. They throw off a heck of a lot of heat.

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Thanks for the help!

10-29-2001 07:31:58

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

I guess I better get myself in gear and insulate this area first. Thanks for all your suggestions! I'm going to check into the electric units or a vented propane. Hope I can get it done before winter!

Dave C

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T_Bone

10-29-2001 16:51:12

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Re: Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Thanks for the help!, 10-29-2001 07:31:58

There's nothing that beats wood heat!

You can even roll up news papers and soak them in water then let them dry in the sun then burn them as logs. Works really well.

T_Bone

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Dave C

10-30-2001 06:41:51

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Re: Re: Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to T_Bone, 10-29-2001 16:51:12

I burn wood in our house. I wish I could use it in the shop, but my insurance company doesn't like it. I guess thay don't mind if I burn down my house, just don't let nuthin happen to that barn! :)

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RB/CT

10-27-2001 19:54:40

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

Dave, your best money spent would be to insulate this garage. Your initial cost would be paid back in no time. I would not think of electric heat although it does have advantages of no maintainance, and being clean. A 20 by 20 insulated garage can easily be heated with a home type kerosene heater, 22Kbtu, as sold in Wal Mart for $120 or so, like a kerosun. These are quiet and clean and economical compared to a salamander heater, which is noisy but has quick heat. Thanks for listening. I burn rice coal in an Alaska Stoker stove. My electric heat never gets turned on or I would be broke.

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DaveGray

10-27-2001 07:10:10

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

UNDER NO, I SAY AGAIN NO circumstances should you insulate the walls with the half inch sheets of 4x8 rigid board!! They have no rating and burn like gasoline. That's why they can only be used on the outside of a house with fiberglass insulation between them and the drywall inside the living area.

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Charles Norwood

10-27-2001 19:35:58

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Re: Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to DaveGray, 10-27-2001 07:10:10

I asked the local code people(KS) about this same thing. They said if it was a commercial building, they probably wouldn't approve it, but for a residential shop they said it was ok. I have a 30 x 60 post frame building. I finished the inside of half of it (30 x 30) with 2x6 framing, R 19 fiberglass insulation and 7/16 OSB (wafer board). The under side of the roof was sprayed with 2 inches of polyurethane insulation. It is heated with a 50 000 BTU overhead gas furnace. There are 4 20 amp receptacle circuits each protected with a ground fault interrupter circuit. Lights are 4-8 foot dual florescents plus an 8 foot workbench light. The ground fault trips before the breaker does. The wiring and gas plumbing was inspected and is up to code. I don't think an electrical or gas fire will happen. True, if it happens the building will make a nice fire, but if I'm careful it won't happen.

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DumOleBob

10-26-2001 20:05:23

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

Please do ReRead what John Nelsen posted about burning up oxygen & giving off carbon dioxide. Keep a door or window wide open when using any of these fuel burning heaters! Maybe check with you fire dept. Dead is not good, lasts forever and is hard on the family!!

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John Nelson

10-26-2001 15:42:04

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

Dont forget any fuel burning heater uses up oxygen and many produce some amount of carbon dioxide, even if the building isn't insulated it may be airtight enough to be dangerous. Kerosene shope heaters require quite a bit of ventilation, be careful.

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Carbon MONoxide is the biggest danger

10-27-2001 08:55:55

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Re: Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to John Nelson, 10-26-2001 15:42:04

Similar name, very different things. Carbon dioxide is an asphyxiant (displaces oxygen). Not healthy in large doses to be sure, but not as bad as it's brother. Carbon Monoxide is a poison. Makes you sick at 10 or 20 parts per million. Can make you dead at 50 or 60 PPM if you breathe it all day. Odorless, colorless, and it likes to kill people who use portable heaters in enclosed places. It doesn't matter what you burn, Kerosene, propane, wood, coal, whatever you burn, it gives off carbon monoxide as a byproduct of combustion. Be carefull, live long and prosper, get a vented heater or an electric one.

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Johnbob

10-26-2001 14:49:20

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

Have you thought of using electric radiant over head heaters they heat what they shine on? I have used them,they work good.

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Bob

10-26-2001 13:31:53

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

Wondering why Electric is out? I have an overhead heater with blower in my shop, on off peak or "ripple". economical and safe, no fire no odor. Cost is no more,(and probably cheaper if the insurance knows what is going on) just need to get a 30 amp breaker (depending on heater size) and wire it. Building a new shop and will have in ground heat pipes with a electric boiler on off peak. Electric is the best deal around Northern MN for the $ and clean.

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Dave C

10-26-2001 13:59:55

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Re: Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Bob, 10-26-2001 13:31:53

Sounds interesting. How many BTU unit do you use? What do you mean "on off peak or ripple"?

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Dave C

10-26-2001 13:08:07

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

I think convection heaters are the type used by building contractors. They are a vertical cylinder shape, about 14" in diameter and 24" tall, usually silver in color. They sit on the floor and attach to a LP tank with a hose. They don't need electricity. Basically cold air is drawn in the bottom as the heated air flows out the top. I'm hoping to insulate the shop in the near future. I know that will help ALOT!

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JD790

10-26-2001 23:23:08

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Re: Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 13:08:07

Dave considering the space you are heating and that you might insulate? I insulated and old garage and drywalled it and finished the ceiling.
I installed a 34,000 BTU propane RV furnace!(suburban brand)
No smell, compact, quiet, turns off and on by thermostat. I use 12 volt and a auto charger.
They are available in 110 volts AC.
I keep my tractor in this old garage and move it out if I need to do projects in my toasty warm garage. The tractor being in there assures a clean open area to work when I move her out.
If your Electricity is cheap that is a way to go!
The price of That is starting to go way up here in Washington St.

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mac

10-26-2001 12:57:15

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

Know you are wanting a portable heater, but I would think about finding a used overhead gas heater/blower. Kero heaters are pretty smelly. The LP's are pretty good heaters, but you need insulation.
If you cannot insulate the walls properly, I would try to use some half inch 4X8 sheets and nail them on. This would help some. Surely this small amount of insulation would be a payback in the long run.

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10-26-2001 12:57:07

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Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Dave C, 10-26-2001 10:13:49

I have one of the 80,000 btu heaters that painting and drywall contractors use when working in cold weather to warm up the room of newly built homes and complexes. I think that is what you are talking about when you say convection heater. Anyway, they work great. I have a two car garage, and live in Michigan. I can go out in the middle of winter, fire it up, put it on high, and in 10 min. go out and turn the flame down to low and work in a sweatshirt or flannel. Like I said, they work great and would definitely go that route.
MO

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Scott Green

10-27-2001 17:10:57

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Re: Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to MO, 10-26-2001 12:57:07

I also have one of those silver round vertical propane heaters. No electric needed. Works very well. In the dead of winter , I can start it running in a matter of seconds. Then go into the house. 10 - 15 minutes later , my 26 x 30 pole barn is nice and warm. Then I start my coal stove in comfort. No noise of roaring flame with coal stove.

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bob

10-28-2001 15:26:05

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Re: Re: Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to Scott Green, 10-27-2001 17:10:57

protable heater might be good but i would put in furnace or standing stove with a chimney and know i was safe most of time you work alone it garage not good insulate as much as you can afford ceiling will make more difference than side walls

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JSarge

10-28-2001 17:53:48

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Re: Re: Re: Re: What type of shop heater?? in reply to bob, 10-28-2001 15:26:05

Here in Montana I've seen people use a diesel fired stove with an outside combustion air source and a chimney to the outside. I'm told that this is more efficient than propane because there are more BTU's in a gallon of diesel than a gallon of propane and the cost per gallon of off-road diesel is significantly cheaper than propane. People more knowledgeable than I can comment more adequately on this and, perhaps, compare the operating cost of diesel and propane with electricity and natural gas. Where I live we are dealing with winter temperatures that rarely go below -30 degrees. However, with these temperatures, good insullation and a tight sealing building are highly desirable.

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