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Grinding cutting tools for lathe work

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Bill

10-25-2001 07:41:47




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Purchased a 7x10 metal lathe from Homier Distributing. Am having a problem grinding my cutting tools from hss bar stock. Any good advice. Also what is the rule as far as what speed should be used for cutting different materials. I was thinking the harder the metal the slower the turning, but that didn't seem to work for me. Any and all help would be apreciated. I'm not a machinist by trade, but enjoy in making and fabrcating things that I need.
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Bill

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HTR

10-28-2001 18:10:49




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 Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to Bill, 10-25-2001 07:41:47  
Try this site.



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HTR

10-28-2001 18:13:23




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 Re: Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to HTR, 10-28-2001 18:10:49  
Next, try this site



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wrenchman

10-27-2001 00:39:53




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 Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to Bill, 10-25-2001 07:41:47  
go here,they have lots of books on machining and metalworking at reasonable prices.i have been dealing with them for years.http://www.lindsaybks.com



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Roger

10-26-2001 17:06:11




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 Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to Bill, 10-25-2001 07:41:47  
A trick my machinist instructor showed me for getting the tool on center was to place a steel ruler against the stock and bring the tip of the tool up against it to hold it. If the ruler is leaning out toward you above the bit, the tool is too low, if leaning away, too high. When the tip of the tool holds the ruler perfectly straight up and down, the tip is on center.


Formula for RPM:

(Cutting Speed of material X 4) divided by diameter of the workpiece.

Rule of thumb: Mild steel, 100 surface feet per minute cutting speed with HSS

Cast iron, half of that.

Aluminum, of course,can be turned much faster.

Usually, carbide tools can turn twice as fast as HSS. HSS is far more practical for making special tools for cutting O ring grooves and such. Grind HSS with aluminum oxide wheels. Grind carbides with silicon carbide. These break down quickly by design to keep the cutting surface of the wheel as sharp as possible to cut the hard carbide. If you try to grind carbides with an aluminum oxide wheel, you will just glaze the wheel and create a lot of heat.

Knurling: Use a feed of at least .025" - .040"

A deep cut and light feed is the best way to remove stock quickly.

A parts washer pump, a five gallon drum and some coolant hose is a simple and quick way to provide cutting lubricant to the tool. Emulsifiable cutting oil is not terribly expensive. It will improve surface finish immensly and prolong tool life.

A good book to learn with is Technology of Machine Tools by Krar, Oswald and St. Amand, ISBN 0-07-035425-1, published by McGraw Hill.

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Keith

11-04-2001 05:26:28




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 Re: Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to Roger, 10-26-2001 17:06:11  
I was taught never to mistreat tools such as has been suggested using a scale(rulers are those 12" wooden things we used in 1st grade, plastic for you younsters). If too much pressure is put against the scale a carbide insert will chip.



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Keith

10-26-2001 11:19:02




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 Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to Bill, 10-25-2001 07:41:47  
HI, The problem i encounter the most when asked to trouble shoot turning failures is that the tool point is not on center of the stock being turned.If the point is too high the radius of the terned stock will rub on the relief under the point. Too low and the stock tries to climb onto the point. To find the center, start lathe at a low rpm, then take a marker of some kind and on the end of the stock and 1/8" from what looks like the center place the marker against the stock and form a circle gradually making it smaller. when it is about 20 thousands in diameter stop. now, place the point of your bit as close as possible to the center of this circle by adjusting it with the height adjusting screw in the toolbit holder. Now you are on the center of the stock. Practice makes perfect. Oh, the relief angle under the point i mentioned earlier should be 5 degrees or so. Too much angle and you lose support for the point. E-mail me as you go and i will help you as best i can. Oh, Masking tape on the end is preferred by many to make thier circle if using a pencil. Keith

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Jeff Pack

10-27-2001 21:53:03




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 Re: Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to Keith, 10-26-2001 11:19:02  
talk about the hard way... :)

If you wanna center a tool on the work,
merely use small ruler, move tool towards
work so it just hold the ruler between toolbit
and work.

Then stand at end of lathe, and look at ruler.
If ruler is straight up and down, you are centered.



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Rod MI

10-25-2001 23:00:14




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 Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to Bill, 10-25-2001 07:41:47  
check this out

http://www.chaski.com/cgi-bin/machine_index.cgi



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P. Welch

10-25-2001 18:41:26




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 Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to Bill, 10-25-2001 07:41:47  
Best advise Bill, purchase a machinist hand book or look on the net for some home machine shop sites. Both places you will find illustrations on how to sharpen a tool bit. I am a Toolmaker by trade, don�t feel bad about tool sharpening. I come across tradesman all the time who can�t sharpen a HS bit. Seems over the years most have gotten use to insert tooling. This is fine if your commercial. For home use or maintenance shop HS is still the best bet. The cost is minimal and tool can be sharpen many times. Keep practicing start with slow speed and moderate feed. Once you get it down you will be surprised on how well the HS tooling will work.

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Tom

10-25-2001 18:32:12




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 Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to Bill, 10-25-2001 07:41:47  
The best thing for you to do is get a book, Lindsey Publications has a lot of good ones. Southbend's How to Run a Lathe is a very good basic starter book and will show you how to grind tool bits. The big thing I think that isn't mentioned too often, after you grind a HSS tool bit to shape, stone it , and the finer stone you use the better. Get all the grinding marks out of it so it is as smooth and polished as you can get it. Be careful of the edge, you can get a good cut while working on it if you aren't careful.

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Big Jake

10-25-2001 08:25:23




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 Re: Grinding cutting tools for lathe work in reply to Bill, 10-25-2001 07:41:47  
What type & size matl are you turning? What rpms,feeds & depth of cut are you using??

You could get a tool holder & use inserts. However at some point in time you'll
want to grind a form tool so learning how can be benificial. I grew up in a machine shop(aircraft)
and this is how we set up our manual lathes. First off we use indexing tool post. You can set 4 tools in it at once & rotate to the one desired. Next when we sharpen our tool bits we leave the tops flat-no side rake angle. You will notice that brased tools & inserts do not use or have a minimal side rake angle. Most the time we utilze inserts. We still use alot of HSS bits in our box tooling for the tailstock turret though

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